[Politics] The NSC 'up all night' election night *** OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD ***

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Politicians are all dodgy at the end of the day IMO, just using that pot of money in different ways.
I think the Green Party do a fairly decent job with limited resources.

I don't think the Greens have any resources have they? What are they running at the moment? Just Brighton council?

Don't they support the Labour Ulez arrangement? That's something I'd be happy to support.

 

[AmexRuislip]

I don't think the Greens have any resources have they? What are they running at the moment? Just Brighton council?

Don't they support the Labour Ulez arrangement? That's something I'd be happy to support.

I know they're up for running in Suffolk and Bristol.
Yes they do support the Ulez option.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I know they're up for running in Suffolk and Bristol.
Yes they do support the Ulez option.

Presumably, like me, you don't run a 1998 Ford Transit, with double diesel and furry dice

 

[AmexRuislip]

Presumably, like me, you don't run a 1998 Ford Transit, with double diesel and furry dice

Come on Mike I'm more sophisticated than that.
VW Polo our planet killer of choice.

 

[A1X]

Sky reporting Labour have taken West Midlands mayor

 

[Sirnormangall]

I don't think the Greens have any resources have they? What are they running at the moment? Just Brighton council?

Don't they support the Labour Ulez arrangement? That's something I'd be happy to support.

Greens are no longer running Brighton - didn’t make a great job of it - now Labour controlled

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Come on Mike I'm more sophisticated than that.
VW Polo our planet killer of choice.

(Sssshhh but my Renault is a diesel. Albeit it is apparently so 'low emission' that I pay only £16 road tax)

 

[AmexRuislip]

Presumably, like me, you don't run a 1998 Ford Transit, with double diesel and furry dice

On the Ulez topic.
Locally to us, we have around 5 cameras, and 4 have either been vandalised or destroyed by opposition to their meaning.
One in Harefield had a mask of Sadiq Khan placed over the lens.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

On the Ulez topic.
Locally to us, we have around 5 cameras, and 4 have either been vandalised or destroyed by opposition to their meaning.
One in Harefield had a mask of Sadiq Khan placed over the lens.

I saw a white van on the M25 a few months ago. I say, white...
No to Ulez placard in window, union jacks and reform party stickers

(I must confess I don't know anything about the reform party other than they are presumably disaffected tight wing former Tories.)

(Looks them up)

Ah, white supremacists. Lovely.

 

[clapham_gull]

This is actually a very interesting post.

Pretty much everyone assumed it was a two horse race, because that’s what the media have played it as.

There were other candidates.

The Tories fronted a Facebook racist who ran a lying, populist campaign, as per their current playbook. But it’s perfectly valid to not vote for her and not like Khan.

That's correct he's a bit rubbish, but it was always a two horse race.

However the green candidate is very credible, I hope she finds a seat in parliament at some point.

 

[Zeberdi]

I don't think the Greens have any resources have they? What are they running at the moment? Just Brighton council?

Don't they support the Labour Ulez arrangement? That's something I'd be happy to support.

Well they were in coalition with the SNP in Scotland but they were ejected from Scottish Government in April and the SNP decided to continue as a minority Government and turn their back on key climate change pledges. Even when the Greens do get enough MPs to form a coalition, other parties are so in denial of the climate change crisis that they refuse to work with them. Caroline Lucas was sidelined for years in Parliament - I am amazed she lasted so long.

I‘m with @WATFORD zero on this - FPTP has ensured that the Green Party has had very little influence in British politics and encourages a two party system where voters engage in tactical voting (to avoid splitting the vote) rather than voting for the Greens - we may hate what the Country has become under 14 years of Tory rule but I fear what the planet will become under another 14 years of Conservative or Labour tbh. It is a myth to think Starmer’s Labour Party will be any better on the environment than the Tories.

Greens forced out of the Scottish Government

The Countryside Alliance shares the news that the Scottish Green Party has been ejected from the Scottish Government by the First Minister, Humza Yousaf.

www.countryside-alliance.org

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/02/labours-ditched-ps28-billion-climate-pledge-sends-wrong-message-uk-cop-energy-commitments

 

[AmexRuislip]

I saw a white van on the M25 a few months ago. I say, white...
No to Ulez placard in window, union jacks and reform party stickers

(I must confess I don't know anything about the reform party other than they are presumably disaffected tight wing former Tories.)

(Looks them up)

Ah, white supremacists. Lovely.

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Enforcement camera vandalised with ‘no Ulez’ sign in Greater London

The Metropolitan Police said it had recorded 288 crimes relating to the cameras as of August 1.

www.standard.co.uk

Anorher camera destroyed in Harefield last year



These take a lot of credit for vandalising camera.
@BrightonCottager will confirm one vandalised near me, by the local footy club.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well they were in coalition with the SNP in Scotland but they were ejected from Scottish Government in April and the SNP decided to continue as a minority Government and turn their back on key climate change pledges. Even when the Greens do get enough MPs to form a coalition, other parties are so in denial of the climate change crisis that they refuse to work with them. Caroline Lucas was sidelined for years in Parliament - I am amazed she lasted so long.

I‘m with @WATFORD zero on this - FPTP has ensured that the Green Party has had very little influence in British politics and encourages a two party system where voters engage in tactical voting (to avoid splitting the vote) rather than voting for the Greens - we may hate what the Country has become under 14 years of Tory rule but I fear what the planet will become under another 14 years of Conservative or Labour tbh. It is a myth to think Starmer’s Labour Party will be any better on the environment than the Tories.

Greens forced out of the Scottish Government

The Countryside Alliance shares the news that the Scottish Green Party has been ejected from the Scottish Government by the First Minister, Humza Yousaf.

www.countryside-alliance.org

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/02/labours-ditched-ps28-billion-climate-pledge-sends-wrong-message-uk-cop-energy-commitments

The thing is, the Greens, if part of a coalition government (or even as the majority party) would have zero impact on climate either. It will require a global effort with a strong bloc putting pressure on India, China, Brazil and America to make a dent in it. The only strong block in town is the EU, and we aren't in that.

At least Labour have not joined with the Tories in their 'f*** everyone, let's drill for oil and frack for gas' policy.

 

[A1X]

I saw a white van on the M25 a few months ago. I say, white...
No to Ulez placard in window, union jacks and reform party stickers

(I must confess I don't know anything about the reform party other than they are presumably disaffected tight wing former Tories.)

(Looks them up)

Ah, white supremacists. Lovely.

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…why have three of them smeared mustard on their faces?

 

[Zeberdi]

The thing is, the Greens, if part of a coalition government (or even as the majority party) would have zero impact on climate either. It will require a global effort with a strong bloc putting pressure on India, China, Brazil and America to make a dent in it. The only strong block in town is the EU, and we aren't in that.

At least Labour have not joined with the Tories in their 'f*** everyone, let's drill for oil and frack for gas' policy.

Sorry but my comment wasn’t to meant to spark a long involved debate on climate change policies of the mainstream parties, or invite an argument as to why people should vote Labour, just to make a point that both parties are reneging on environmental commitments and are unlikely to meet the COP28 pledges under current policies. That, and unless we have electoral reform, the Greens in the UK will be no more than a pressure group that elects a few MPs from time to time.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Sorry but my comment wasn’t to meant to spark a long involved debate on climate change policies of the mainstream parties, or invite an argument as to why people should vote Labour, just to make a point that both parties are reneging on environmental commitments and are unlikely to meet the COP28 pledges under current policies. That, and unless we have electoral reform, the Greens in the UK will be no more than a pressure group that elects a few MPs from time to time.

I wasn't aware Labour were reneging. What did they sign up to and what are they backtracking about?

 

[WATFORD zero]

The thing is, the Greens, if part of a coalition government (or even as the majority party) would have zero impact on climate either. It will require a global effort with a strong bloc putting pressure on India, China, Brazil and America to make a dent in it. The only strong block in town is the EU, and we aren't in that.

At least Labour have not joined with the Tories in their 'f*** everyone, let's drill for oil and frack for gas' policy.

Not quite as bad as the other lot H ? It's the FPTP way

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not quite as bad as the other lot H ? It's the FPTP way

Yes but with some other system the greens still won't win.

(and Labour are miles better than the other lot).

 

[Guinness Boy]

This is absolutely awful. The woman’s lack of humility and gravitas is incredible. Basically, the Tories put up a female Timmy for Mayor

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not quite as bad as the other lot H ? It's the FPTP way

Also you will recall the last coalition.

When the Liberal voters discovered that they would not get all their policies into law, and indeed the Liberals had to concede some of their most beloved policies to their coalition partners, the liberal voters skweemed and skweemed 'betwayal' until they were sick, and the Liberals then sank without a trace.

Coalitions means nobody ever getting what they want.

FPTP means that some of us get most of what we thought we wanted some of the time.