[Politics] The Labour Government

[Herr Tubthumper]

Declaring £16000 worth of designer clothes and £2500 for sexy glasses from Lord Alli as 'private office expenses' seems to fit the bill too.

Are these for, er, Victoria? Asking for a friend.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

There is a huge difference between the royals accepting freebies and the PM. The royals are figureheads and do not set or even influence policy. The PM sets policy and every freebie is given to get his ear and gain nfluence

I think you need to go and read up on Charlie’s past.He has a history of poking his nose into things.

 

[Javeaseagull]

Net inwards migration was 685k in 2023, the ONS project a UK population of 74m in 12 years time. There needs to be a strategy to get the working age population trained and working. The german model is the one to follow, many have known that for an age, but little happens.

It’s true that we have known this for years and nothing has been done properly. There has been talk of apprenticeships but I have not seen this followed through. This is not new, going back to before the last World War. As a country we have always valued University degrees far more than Engineering skills. To the best of my knowledge Germany has almost been the opposite which we obviously sneered at. It’s a culture thing and I can’t see it changing any time soon.

I am too old to care very much but I do feel sad for the world that my grandchildren, and indeed, great grandchildren have inherited. It is what it is.

 

[chip]

Then we should definitely do nothing and let Universities go bust and poor kids rack up unmanageable debt. That would certainly be better.

I can tell you've really made an effort to understand the issues in higher education, you have your finger on the pulse with this one. Well done

 

[Weststander]

It’s true that we have known this for years and nothing has been done properly. There has been talk of apprenticeships but I have not seen this followed through. This is not new, going back to before the last World War. As a country we have always valued University degrees far more than Engineering skills. To the best of my knowledge Germany has almost been the opposite which we obviously sneered at. It’s a culture thing and I can’t see it changing any time soon.

I am too old to care very much but I do feel sad for the world that my grandchildren, and indeed, great grandchildren have inherited. It is what it is.

The apprenticeships system was set up, but employers largely ignore it for genuine skilled roles. I know this for a fact for stuff like construction, computer industry. Openings incredibly rare.

Just guessing … the very British thing of greed and jam today. Better to take on doers to make money on day one at minimum wage, than invest over three or four years in conjunction with a tertiary education institute.

Requires firm government intervention, strategic planning and money.

I know and know of blokes who went to Brighton Technical College in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s who went on to become highly skilled electrical engineers and similar. Bright people who’d originally just missed out on the 11+ a few years earlier.

 

[Weststander]

I think you need to go and read up on Charlie’s past.He has a history of poking his nose into things.

Just ask Camilla!

 

[Cotton Socks]

30 days until the budget. What joyous treats are in store?

Hopefully an announcement that we're going back to imperial measurements, as during a discussion with my friend earlier we realised that we wouldn't have a clue how to ask for a '1/4' of fizzy cola bottles in metric.

 

[jcdenton08]

Sort of reminds me an actor I worked with, two professional credits at this point (a touring play out of a van (think Legz Akimbo), and a pantomime) boasting about their career… to a very experienced West End leading man with 20+ years in the business and multiple awards. He nodded and smiled politely inbetween discreet eye rolls at the director

The likes of Mourinho can get away with reminding people of their record when they’ve done so much in the game.

The likes of Graham Potter cannot…

 

[Cotton Socks]

It’s true that we have known this for years and nothing has been done properly. There has been talk of apprenticeships but I have not seen this followed through. This is not new, going back to before the last World War. As a country we have always valued University degrees far more than Engineering skills. To the best of my knowledge Germany has almost been the opposite which we obviously sneered at. It’s a culture thing and I can’t see it changing any time soon.

I am too old to care very much but I do feel sad for the world that my grandchildren, and indeed, great grandchildren have inherited. It is what it is.

2 years at college learning plumbing, for the final 3rd year to become 'qualified' you have to take on a apprenticeship. Apprenticeships min wages are £6.40ph at aged 18. Min wage ph at 18 for those not in an apprenticeship is £8.60.
Why would any kid in their right mind want to leave college and potentially earn the wage of an under 18 by going into an apprenticeship? Literally 2 years wasted because they'll earn more money working anywhere else at the age of 18, than getting an apprenticeship to finish their qualifications.

 

[Pavilionaire]

It’s very easy to resolve pay disputes in the short term by simply giving people what they're demanding. The reason this is a very bad, short-termist idea will become apparent quite soon. I won’t spoil it for you. Just wait and see.

I think what the unions were asking for wasn't unreasonable, and anyway you have to get Britain back to work to get the economy going again. There is a cost if you do nothing.

 

[Professor Plum]

I think what the unions were asking for wasn't unreasonable, and anyway you have to get Britain back to work to get the economy going again. There is a cost if you do nothing.

You missed the point I was making.

 

[Zeberdi]

He’s a popular guy this PM

‘PM’?

I get why there is antipathy to the Government over the WFA, even why some are slamming them for late declaration on registration of interests but how about fact checking before posting?

Really misleading and disingenuous to post an old video and present it as ‘evidence’ of the current PM’s ‘unpopularity’.

That video was taken at Glasgow Central Station when Starmer was in Glasgow in December 2023 for a fundraising event. He wasn’t even PM then, he was Leader of the Opposition.



Since being elected:

• On day one in office, the Government reviewed the arms export licences approved by Rishi Sunak’s Government and suspended export licences for use in military operations in Gaza.
• Announced sanctions against individuals within the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force and an IRGC unit for threatening the stability of the Middle East
• In one of his first acts of PM supported UN resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire and supported Biden’s Peace Plan (which Sunak said ‘wasn’t a good deal’)
• Supported the decision of the ICJ to bring charges of war crimes against Netanyahu (which Sunak had said were unhelpful)

 

[Chicken Run]

This has just turned into another Labour Government bashing thread now so time to put this thread on ignore too..

3 trolling posts about me one after the other.

You too added to the ignore list.

Goodbye.

Really misleading and disingenuous to post an old video and present it as ‘evidence’ of the current PM’s ‘unpopularity’.

That video was taken at Glasgow Central Station when Starmer was in Glasgow in December 2023 for a fundraising event. He wasn’t even PM then, he was Leader of the Opposition.

I won’t be taking lectures on ‘misleading’ & being ’disingenuous’ from the likes of you when you announce that you’re putting this thread and me on ignore yet here you are still days later not only active on the thread but replying to me, i hope i’ve fact checked that enough for you.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I can tell you've really made an effort to understand the issues in higher education, you have your finger on the pulse with this one. Well done

Let me guess, it involves them getting a lot more money without that money coming from freezing old ladies or your own personal tax burden increasing?

Perhaps we should plant the magic money tree after all.

 

[Zeberdi]

I won’t be taking lectures on ‘misleading’ & being ’disingenuous’ from the likes of you when you announce that you’re putting this thread and me on ignore yet here you are still days later not only active on the thread but replying to me, i hope i’ve fact checked that enough for you.

Sometimes there are more important things than ignoring trolls for making ad hominem digs at one personally - one being when they start posting 9 month old videos on internet forums and passing them off as recent news to score political points.

Carry on.

 

[Chicken Run]

Sometimes there are more important things than ignoring trolls for making ad hominem digs at one personally - one being when they start posting 9 month old videos on internet forums and passing them off as recent news to score political points.

Carry on.

And yet more BS from you, and to think you’re a Labour Party activist on people’s door step’s spouting off!! Good job you had a weak opposition to get rid of in your constituency in the GE, carry on

 

[Chicken Run]

On the contrary, I’m in one of the toughest constituencies for Labour in the Country - entrenched Tory stronghold, latterly Reform stronghold, there was one Labour seat in the entire constituency - and we booted out an ex-Prime Minister.

I haven’t been a ‘labour activist’ since the GE - and not on the doorstep at all. My decline in mobility has made that impossible in recent years.

Again.

Facts.

Ps (btw, since you seem so interested in my ignore list, you are still on it but I saw your video before I had logged in)

Well keep me on ignore then and crack on with your day of frequenting the various middle east threads, i’m off to earn some money and put food on the table I’ll assume you won’t see this reply as i’m on your ignore list

 

[nevergoagain]

Zeb - I have the WFA solution (though I think I am also on your ignore list). 7 Nescafe Handshakes and you can break even (Only applies to male pensioners).

Money paid to sperm donors rises as UK faces shortage

The £10 rise comes into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland from 1 October.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Guinness Boy]

Well keep me on ignore then and crack on with your day of frequenting the various middle east threads, i’m off to earn some money and put food on the table I’ll assume you won’t see this reply as i’m on your ignore list

No point posting it then, was there?

 

[Machiavelli]

You missed the point I was making.

Go on then, make your prediction. Will it be that there will be negligible growth, high inflation, rising interest rates, real-terms pay cuts, mounting levels of debt, increased poverty, multiplying food banks and rampant inequality?