[Politics] The Labour Government

[BBassic]

Sorry but think 22% is a joke to people who when fully qualified will earning £120k plus. ( 70/80K If like all Dtrs in our practice choose now to work 3 days) Its certainly the time to be working in Public Services. They will now all have there hand out. While the rest of us have just been trying to keep businesses going and hang on to jobs .

Paying someone £120k who is essentially a very well educated mechanic specialising in the human body makes perfect pissing sense to me to be honest.

It's one of those jobs you don't want to skimp on. Pay them well, keep them happy and in return they fix my heart when it goes wonky. Good deal.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry but think 22% is a joke to people who when fully qualified will earning £120k plus. ( 70/80K If like all Dtrs in our practice choose now to work 3 days) Its certainly the time to be working in Public Services. They will now all have there hand out. While the rest of us have just been trying to keep businesses going and hang on to jobs .

From Full Fact

In this period, the mean annual earnings for a junior doctor in FY1, including basic and additional pay, was £37,071. In the same period speciality registrars, who are the highest grade of junior doctor, earned an average of £63,350.

 

[aolstudios]

Paying someone £120k who is essentially a very well educated mechanic specialising in the human body makes perfect pissing sense to me to be honest.

It's one of those jobs you don't want to skimp on. Pay them well, keep them happy and in return they fix my heart when it goes wonky. Good deal.

Well, exactly

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Sorry but think 22% is a joke to people who when fully qualified will earning £120k plus. ( 70/80K If like all Dtrs in our practice choose now to work 3 days) Its certainly the time to be working in Public Services. They will now all have there hand out. While the rest of us have just been trying to keep businesses going and hang on to jobs .

I am only alive because of these people. I don't begrudge it at all.

 

[aolstudios]

Me too.
Several times, so far!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Absolutely outrageous rise, when there is only 2% inflation.
Hold on to your hats everyone labour due to spunk money to all public sector workers, watch how inflation will be off and out of control like Starmer after a pint.🫣
Just remember what you voted for.

This is what I voted for.
beats Michelle Mone and others getting millions for doing very little in terms of health!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I know plenty of "qualified" people who make mistake after mistake, they are also unaccountable, their own cover their backs the NHS is too bigger organisation which will be impossible to fund the way we'd all like.
I'm not worried about me now just my family having to live with labour lying to the country, and undoing what the Tories had just started to turn around. God bless us all.

You seem to be in a parallel universe.

 

[amexer]

Paying someone £120k who is essentially a very well educated mechanic specialising in the human body makes perfect pissing sense to me to be honest.

It's one of those jobs you don't want to skimp on. Pay them well, keep them happy and in return they fix my heart when it goes wonky. Good deal.

Have never queried what a doctor earns just the fact

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Paying someone £120k who is essentially a very well educated mechanic specialising in the human body makes perfect pissing sense to me to be honest.

It's one of those jobs you don't want to skimp on. Pay them well, keep them happy and in return they fix my heart when it goes wonky. Good deal.

Well educated doesn't guarantee a great doctor or even a mechanic.
I agree on paying on performance IE commission, it focuses the mind when the dollar is swinging at the end of it. I would have driven up quality via results.

Why should a crap doctor get the same as an excellent one, there are some lazy crap doctors in the NHS, let get rid of them, probably the guys beating the drums on the picket line.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Most of it will be taxed anyway

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

You seem to be in a parallel universe.

I live in the universe of realism, you're welcome to join if you like.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Most of it will be taxed anyway

And on their pensions.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Well educated doesn't guarantee a great doctor or even a mechanic.
I agree on paying on performance IE commission, it focuses the mind when the dollar is swinging at the end of it. I would have driven up quality via results.

Why should a crap doctor get the same as an excellent one, there are some lazy crap doctors in the NHS, let get rid of them, probably the guys beating the drums on the picket line.

There are 'some lazy crap doctors in the NHS'.

Where?

How do you know?

Have you seen them?

What were they doing? Sleeping presumably?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Settled within 3 weeks of gaining power. Amazing what can be achieved when you have grown ups in the room.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

From Full Fact

In this period, the mean annual earnings for a junior doctor in FY1, including basic and additional pay, was £37,071. In the same period speciality registrars, who are the highest grade of junior doctor, earned an average of £63,350.

They are juniors, good wages, lucky them, there time will come.
If they cock up with people's lives should they be more accountable?
So Ted can investigate in why 3 different consultants missed the diagnosis, yet his local vet picked up on to it first time.
Ted has been getting a rough time of it too.

 

[amexer]

Have never queried what a doctor earns just the fact that 22% is a joke for junior doctors. Not much negotiating going on. Whats wrong with 10% now and 10% in 2 years. Because Fully qualified doctors are well paid nearly all at my present and last practice chose now to work 3 days a week which is biggest reson not easy to get appointment.not shortage of doctors.

Not talking about health service but rightly or wrongly many in the world that has to create the tax income to pay for everything have considered most Public Service jobs a doddle with security ,average pay and a pension. People may be queuing up shortly

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

There are 'some lazy crap doctors in the NHS'.

Where?

How do you know?

Have you seen them?

What were they doing? Sleeping presumably?

Outside hospitals

Seen them

Yes

Standing a chanting with boards, while sipping on their champagne.


Taking 19 days off striking while patients have repeated cancelled operations, causing unnecessary disruption and worry for patients and families, and extra costs to me and you.

The No1 roll of a doctor is to treat their patients in a professional manor and care about their welfare, they failed this for 19 days.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Outside hospitals

Seen them

Yes

Standing a chanting with boards, while sipping on their champagne.


Taking 19 days off striking while patients have repeated cancelled operations, causing unnecessary disruption and worry for patients and families, and extra costs to me and you.

The No1 roll of a doctor is to treat their patients in a professional manor and care about their welfare, they failed this for 19 days.

The daughter I have posted about on the ADHD thread is a doctor. She is a junior doctor, and is 40 years of age. All doctors who are not consultants are junior doctors as far as I know, so she will probably always be a junior doctor.
She was very conflicted about striking, but did in the end. On one level it is awful that some of the youngest most recently qualified have to use food banks and can’t afford to live properly.
but our daughter, like many other doctors, was doing it principally to protest at the state of the health service, under investment from the Tories for goodness knows how long and so on and so forth. She wasn’t sipping champagne - doesn’t really drink. Had she not gone on strike, she would have donated her pay to the strike fund.
There also an ongoing nurses dispute, and Consultants have also been vociferous about appalling mismanagement of the NHS by the Tories - for example GP practices not being allowed to hire qualified GP’s but forced to go down the road of relying on lesser qualified people….. 2ho may be very good in their own way, but are more likely to miss things!

 

[Bob!]

Most of it will be taxed anyway

Clever from Labour there.
Increasing the incoming tax.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

The daughter I have posted about on the ADHD thread is a doctor. She is a junior doctor, and is 40 years of age. All doctors who are not consultants are junior doctors as far as I know, so she will probably always be a junior doctor.
She was very conflicted about striking, but did in the end. On one level it is awful that some of the youngest most recently qualified have to use food banks and can’t afford to live properly.
but our daughter, like many other doctors, was doing it principally to protest at the state of the health service, under investment from the Tories for goodness knows how long and so on and so forth. She wasn’t sipping champagne - doesn’t really drink. Had she not gone on strike, she would have donated her pay to the strike fund.
There also an ongoing nurses dispute, and Consultants have also been vociferous about appalling mismanagement of the NHS by the Tories - for example GP practices not being allowed to hire qualified GP’s but forced to go down the road of relying on lesser qualified people….. 2ho may be very good in their own way, but are more likely to miss things!

You say that but a very good friend of mine has had 3 consultant misdiagnose her, which has now caused her considerable stress for the past 3 years and she still hasn't had an operation because of their incompetence.
Should they be accountable as in theory it could end up manslaughter?

She is so angry as what she is telling me it should have been a very straightforward diagnosis, and I believe every word as she is a hard working, honest and gets on with life type of character, and very selfless.