The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[Hampster Gull]

I would think that that guess is quite reasonable. Having extolled the virtues of socialism all her life, her little darling went to a private school, as she did not want him with all those working class children at the local comp -they might use nasty words and like football. No, socialism is great for everyone else's children. Bet she won't be talking about equal chances in education for all . . .

You could not make this up. Abbott has just said on TV that if her son was young again he would absolutely send him to state school because schools are much better now. No selective private school her her kids if she has any. She is a complete liar in my view. The news also went through labour inner circle who send their kids to private school or selective schools whilst against grammer schools (for other people, not themselves). Lord falconer kids to private schools (but ok as he said it wasnt a grammer school). Shamus mills kids to grammar schools. Emily thornbury sent them to a selective school. Shami Chatribati kid apparently applying to Easton. They are just nasty hypocrites

 

[Moshe Gariani]

You could not make this up. Abbott has just said on TV that if her son was young again he would absolutely send him to state school because schools are much better now. No selective private school her her kids if she has any. She is a complete liar in my view. The news also went through labour inner circle who send their kids to private school or selective schools whilst against grammer schools (for other people, not themselves). Lord falconer kids to private schools (but ok as he said it wasnt a grammer school). Shamus mills kids to grammar schools. Emily thornbury sent them to a selective school. Shami Chatribati kid apparently applying to Easton. They are just nasty hypocrites

It would be more surprising if there were no Labour MPs or local politicians that had sent their children to private or selective schools. Similarly I would expect there are plenty of Labour members that have made use of private health treatments. I am equally sure that many leftwingers have profited from excessive house price inflation and the escalation of private rents. I also doubt that many on the left have self-imposed higher rates of inheritance tax if finding themselves in that position.

None of this matters a jot unless you require all leftwingers to behave like Gandhi. There is no contradiction in arguing for the overall benefit of different policies but in the meantime acting in your immediate family's best interest within the current situation.

It is much easier to avoid the dreaded "hypocrisy" if your stated values and preferred policies are essentially anything goes provided you have the money...!!

 

[Hampster Gull]

It would be more surprising if there were no Labour MPs or local politicians that had sent their children to private or selective schools. Similarly I would expect there are plenty of Labour members that have made use of private health treatments. I am equally sure that many leftwingers have profited from excessive house price inflation and the escalation of private rents. I also doubt that many on the left have self-imposed higher rates of inheritance tax if finding themselves in that position.

None of this matters a jot unless you require all leftwingers to behave like Gandhi. There is no contradiction in arguing for the overall benefit of different policies but in the meantime acting in your immediate family's best interest within the current situation.

It is much easier to avoid the dreaded "hypocrisy" if your stated values and preferred policies are essentially anything goes provided you have the money...!!

Fair enough but i do see it as hypocrisy for a politician to advocate something is not right for the masses whilst doing it for their family

 

[Hastings gull]

It would be more surprising if there were no Labour MPs or local politicians that had sent their children to private or selective schools. Similarly I would expect there are plenty of Labour members that have made use of private health treatments. I am equally sure that many leftwingers have profited from excessive house price inflation and the escalation of private rents. I also doubt that many on the left have self-imposed higher rates of inheritance tax if finding themselves in that position.

None of this matters a jot unless you require all leftwingers to behave like Gandhi. There is no contradiction in arguing for the overall benefit of different policies but in the meantime acting in your immediate family's best interest within the current situation.

It is much easier to avoid the dreaded "hypocrisy" if your stated values and preferred policies are essentially anything goes provided you have the money...!!

What utter nonsense. Of course it is hypocritical, and contradictory. as you well know. They are arguing that socialism is wonderful for everybody else's children, but in the meantime using their money to buy privilege for their own children. I have no objection to them using private education, as such, but extolling the virtues of the local comp for others stinks.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I have no objection to them using private education, as such, but extolling the virtues of the local comp for others stinks.

Top blustering. I don't think anyone on the left extols the virtues of grossly underfunded state education...!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Newsnight. 'We are gonna fight the tories!'. 'We are the party of comprehensives'. 'Education not segregation'

Shadow secretary for health: Diane Abbott. 'Labour stands for the junior doctors'. 'Save our NHS'.

Pass the sick bag.

 

[The Rivet]

Labour claims make you laugh. They wont be doing anything unless they win an election. All these claims and promises do not amount to anything until that day, which seems so remote at the moment it's frankly, laughable. They are not worth air time or even reporting on in my mind.

 

[jakarta]

Top blustering. I don't think anyone on the left extols the virtues of grossly underfunded state education...!!

It is not blustering, it is a perfect description of hypocrisy.

This is good enough for you lot, but not good enough for me

 

[Hastings gull]

Top blustering. I don't think anyone on the left extols the virtues of grossly underfunded state education...!!

I see you are side-stepping now, and you accuse me of bluster! We were discussing comprehensives, and how the labour luvvies dodge them for their own children, so don't start on about something general. You know full well that labour luvvies advocate this form of secondary education, and I think it is part of the conference farce today.

 

[The Birdman]

Corbyn said new style of politics did he tell the others in his party as they still attacked and insulted individuals from the other parties.
I would rather understand were they would get the money from to pay for there promises yes they did say they would borrow billions but that won't be engough to pay for everything they have promised to deliver ,we should be aware of pepole baring gifts as it will be our grand Children children children paying for it. Remember after 3 terms of Labour in power the note left in the treasury. No money left.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I see you are side-stepping now, and you accuse me of bluster! We were discussing comprehensives, and how the labour luvvies dodge them for their own children, so don't start on about something general. You know full well that labour luvvies advocate this form of secondary education, and I think it is part of the conference farce today.

(Not going to spend much time on NSC today ... ).

Keeping it simple.

People on the left advocate a society where opportunity is more fairly distributed. They have a viable proposal for how to deliver this. It includes provision of high quality state education based on decades of sustained high investment and development of a coherent system based on equality of opportunity for all.

Thanks to the Tories this fairer society and more equal education system is periodically set back a couple of decades either by underfunding or elitist dogma. We currently find ourselves nowhere near the state education system advocated by the left - and this is thanks to the Tories. Why should the children of Labour MPs pay the price for Tory incompetence? I am perfectly happy for my Labour MP's children to attend the best school available to them under the current system - provided that MP continues to fight tooth and claw for change in that system to the future benefit of all.

And finally - once again - it is extremely revealing that Tories spend so much time focused on this personalised stuff at the moment. Why aren't you talking about the Tories' record on education and their future plans...?

 

[BLOCK F]

(Not going to spend much time on NSC today ... ).

Keeping it simple.

People on the left advocate a society where opportunity is more fairly distributed. They have a viable proposal for how to deliver this. It includes provision of high quality state education based on decades of sustained high investment and development of a coherent system based on equality of opportunity for all.

Thanks to the Tories this fairer society and more equal education system is periodically set back a couple of decades either by underfunding or elitist dogma. We currently find ourselves nowhere near the state education system advocated by the left - and this is thanks to the Tories. Why should the children of Labour MPs pay the price for Tory incompetence? I am perfectly happy for my Labour MP's children to attend the best school available to them under the current system - provided that MP continues to fight tooth and claw for change in that system to the future benefit of all.

And finally - once again - it is extremely revealing that Tories spend so much time focused on this personalised stuff at the moment. Why aren't you talking about the Tories' record on education and their future plans...?

'Let's keep it simple':
It is OK for the lefties to talk the talk, but heaven forbid that they have to sully themselves by walking the walk.

 

[jakarta]

'Let's keep it simple':
It is OK for the lefties to talk the talk, but heaven forbid that they have to sully themselves by walking the walk.

With bells on...

 

[Hastings gull]

(Not going to spend much time on NSC today ... ).

Keeping it simple.

People on the left advocate a society where opportunity is more fairly distributed. They have a viable proposal for how to deliver this. It includes provision of high quality state education based on decades of sustained high investment and development of a coherent system based on equality of opportunity for all.Thanks to the Tories this fairer society and more equal education system is periodically set back a couple of decades either by underfunding or elitist dogma. We currently find ourselves nowhere near the state education system advocated by the left - and this is thanks to the Tories. Why should the children of Labour MPs pay the price for Tory incompetence? I am perfectly happy for my Labour MP's children to attend the best school available to them under the current system - provided that MP continues to fight tooth and claw for change in that system to the future benefit of all.

And finally - once again - it is extremely revealing that Tories spend so much time focused on this personalised stuff at the moment. Why aren't you talking about the Tories' record on education and their future plans...?

My friend -I spent 35 years teaching in comprehensives, and believe me, the one thing that has characterised all parties, is their refusal to fully pay for the system, not, I am sure, that you would want to believe that, as you are so committed to dogma. Nothing shows this more than your first para - Labour is committed to high investment (where have I heard that before?) but not one mention of how this high investment can be made. Where will the money come from? And for all the other grand projects? This is the traditional problem with Labour, as you know - always much talk of spending, however well intentioned, but precious little thought into how to create the wealth that will pay for what we all want, namely helping those who are disadvantaged/NHS etc. etc.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

My friend -I spent 35 years teaching in comprehensives, and believe me, the one thing that has characterised all parties, is their refusal to fully pay for the system, not, I am sure, that you would want to believe that, as you are so committed to dogma. Nothing shows this more than your first para - Labour is committed to high investment (where have I heard that before?) but not one mention of how this high investment can be made. Where will the money come from? And for all the other grand projects? This is the traditional problem with Labour, as you know - always much talk of spending, however well intentioned, but precious little thought into how to create the wealth that will pay for what we all want, namely helping those who are disadvantaged/NHS etc. etc.

I agree with most of that (apart from the inevitable hyperbole).

Successive governments HAVE underfunded education. I believe the current Labour leadership are more serious than any before about an unusual level of commitment to raising equality of opportunity and that they would target primary and secondary education for disproportionate budget increases.

Jeremy Corbyn would use the 100s of billions of pounds earmarked for pointless nuclear weapons to pay for his programme. I would be in favour of that but I know it is not going to happen.

"How will it all be paid for?" is the most fundamental question in political planning. The Labour manifesto at the next election will be fully costed and viable to deliver. McDonnell's ideas about an "entrepreneurial state" are modern and exciting.

 

[Buzzer]

I agree with most of that (apart from the inevitable hyperbole).

Thanks to the Tories this fairer society and more equal education system is periodically set back a couple of decades either by underfunding or elitist dogma.

It's a funny thing. Dogma and hyperbole are always what other people think and say.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I agree with most of that (apart from the inevitable hyperbole).

Successive governments HAVE underfunded education. I believe the current Labour leadership are more serious than any before about an unusual level of commitment to raising equality of opportunity and that they would target primary and secondary education for disproportionate budget increases.

Jeremy Corbyn would use the 100s of billions of pounds earmarked for pointless nuclear weapons to pay for his programme. I would be in favour of that but I know it is not going to happen.

"How will it all be paid for?" is the most fundamental question in political planning. The Labour manifesto at the next election will be fully costed and viable to deliver. McDonnell's ideas about an "entrepreneurial state" are modern and exciting.

Of your many obviously tongue in cheek, amusing comments about the state of the Labour party that line is a cracker .. well done.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

It's a funny thing. Dogma and hyperbole are always what other people think and say.

Yes, I was just thinking that when Hastings throw my "dogma" right back at me ... narrow line between dogma and principles or values but debating would be boring without some element of rhetoric...

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Of your many obviously tongue in cheek, amusing comments about the state of the Labour party that line is a cracker .. well done.

Thanks. I thought the next line in that post was quite good too.

Unfortunately I have to go and do some work now so the next instalment will be delayed, regardless of how much I am poked.

 

[Soulman]

I agree with most of that (apart from the inevitable hyperbole).

Successive governments HAVE underfunded education. I believe the current Labour leadership are more serious than any before about an unusual level of commitment to raising equality of opportunity and that they would target primary and secondary education for disproportionate budget increases.

Jeremy Corbyn would use the 100s of billions of pounds earmarked for pointless nuclear weapons to pay for his programme. I would be in favour of that but I know it is not going to happen.

"How will it all be paid for?" is the most fundamental question in political planning. The Labour manifesto at the next election will be fully costed and viable to deliver. McDonnell's ideas about an "entrepreneurial state" are modern and exciting.

Blimey, a green post. Labour promise the world and we end up paying for it. I feel another massive debt if the Labour lot get in.