Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
I assume they will publish a little more details at some stage, or is this 'National Transformation Fund' already a defined thing, with objectives and targets?
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[Politics] The General Election Thread
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I assume they will publish a little more details at some stage, or is this 'National Transformation Fund' already a defined thing, with objectives and targets?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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agree they have also tossed out fiscal responsibility, promising far too much uncosted borrowing. more fiscally cautious are the Liberal's with "only" £100bn promised
KZNSeagull
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As a one off or every year? It needs to be costed for every year.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Both
No surprises there then. But at least you're focusing your efforts in the right place as there are hardly any left wingers peddling Corbynista nonsense on here and the amount of swing voters on a
forum must run into the thousands 
Weststander
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Hopefully the Brexit Party with them.
Farage is an incredibly arrogant prick. Every time he speaks, you can tell he believes he has the air of a great British statesman. The turning point was referendum night. At 10pm on a high with the exit polls, at 11.30 crestfallen, then at 1am as smug/conceited as could be .... and he hasn’t stopped since. Soon after spending time with racist and criminal Trump.
The 52% wasn’t even his doing. He/UKIP accounted for part of it, but the main Leave campaign of Labour and Tory MP’s and grandees, unions was the key.
Yet he’s dreamt up an image that he’s THE MAN:
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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thats all in the "borrowings" that dont apparently need to be accounted for.
- Jul 10, 2003
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No surprises there then. But at least you're focusing your efforts in the right place as there are hardly any left wingers peddling Corbynista nonsense on here and the amount of swing voters on a
Well obviously he won't convince a principled Conservative and Unionist party supporter like yourself, would he ?
It's not as if you would sell off your principles and accept a border down the middle of the Irish sea in a desperate attempt to justify Brexit ....................Oh
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theonlymikey
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- Apr 21, 2016
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No surprises there then. But at least you're focusing your efforts in the right place as there are hardly any left wingers peddling Corbynista nonsense on here and the amount of swing voters on a
Someone who wants a certain outcome, can either try and get the message out there, or they don't.
It's not the ignorance that grates I find, anyone can be ignorant about anything, but it's (a) the confidence which they speak with despite their ignorance and (b) their refusal when their ignorance is pointed out to do something about it which I find incredible.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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On a serious note, it will be interesting to see if this manifesto, with even more promises/bribes than the last one has the same supposed positive electoral effect as the 2017 manifesto (still lost though). Labour/Corbyn betting everything on the public believing we can have everything we ever wanted paid for by borrowing and taxing the very wealthy.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Those pesky Tories at it again, they really are raising (?) their online game this election ...
https://www.labourmanifesto.co.uk/
https://www.labourmanifesto.co.uk/
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Shows how scared they are , pitiful stuff to attract the morons of this country
Weststander
Well-known member
Truth in that last bit - Sweden, Denmark and Finland get there (but some people are still unhappy), by the modest and average paid suffering c.45% in taxes from their modest pay. No UK party has the guts to suggest anything like that. Even the LibDems are saying just a 1% income tax rise. Not sure about the Greens.
Definitely positives about those societies.
But the peoples of the rest of Europe and also North America simply won’t stomach such a taxation system.
KZNSeagull
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IFS Spokesman on Politics Live: Raising 40bn from companies will make the UK one of the most punitive business tax regimes in the world.
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
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As someone who works in digital marketing, I'm strongly wondering if the Tories are trying to commit political suicide or not.
beorhthelm
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if i read it correctly, the personal capital gains tax allowance goes. shame for anyone ever had the good fortune to invest and save.
It's quite something when "the natural party of Government" has to basically lower itself to a fake news factory to stay relevant.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The Labour manifesto could have a couple of nasty financial hits in it for me. Bit of a gamble that these could be reversed by a resurgent 1 nation Tory Party in 2024.
Still worth it though to get Mendacious Johnson and his rabble of dirty tricksters out of Downing Street.
Still worth it though to get Mendacious Johnson and his rabble of dirty tricksters out of Downing Street.
JC Footy Genius
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Yep, people often say they would be happy to pay more tax for better services but when it comes to the crunch most don't vote for higher taxes which is why Labour are pretending their vast spending pledges can be financed through borrowing and only taxing big business/the wealthy. As most people fully understand nothing is really for free and you don't get something for nothing I think Labour might be in danger of over-promising.
I also note the Tories are leaving their manifesto launch quite late in the campaign (next week?) which gives them time to see if the Labour manifesto has a significant impact on the polls. Expect them to add a few late/increased tax cut bribes if the polls are closing.