[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Weststander]

Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, Blair for me

Don’t know if you saw a brilliant documentary about Heath on C4 a couple of years ago. He was a proven liar on the way we joined the EEC, he lied to the Commons deliberately on more than one occasion at the critical stage. It made the difference.

(Being C4, the doc was most definitely not anti EU propaganda).

 

[kevo]

What utter deceitful scum this lot are. Anyone who votes for them needs to take a good hard look at themselves.

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Eh? Have you not followed the Brexit saga? What Labour are proposing is precisely along the lines that the EU would accept - close ties, customs union, etc. He wouldn't have to 'force them to succumb' to anything. They'd rather we didn't leave, but if we are going to, then they'd rather we left on the softer terms Labour are suggesting. They wouldn't be 'caving in' to any 'demands'.

Yes but that doesn't fit the narrative. Victory, spoils, surrender....these are the standard terms that are appropriate for a discussion about politics, especially us versus the forigeners, shirley?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Don’t know if you saw a brilliant documentary about Heath on C4 a couple of years ago. He was a proven liar on the way we joined the EEC, he lied to the Commons deliberately on more than one occasion at the critical stage. It made the difference.

(Being C4, the doc was most definitely not anti EU propaganda).

Being a Europhile, I'd file that as statesmanship

 

[Weststander]

Being a Europhile, I'd file that as statesmanship

I was just a nipper, but followed the thinking of my Dad was/is massively EEC.

 

[lawros left foot]

The return of the nasty party, with knobs on.

 

[sully]

The hate that comes from you is quite astounding, go and bash one out, will you?

It's the idiot undemocratic MPs that have blocked parliament, and that has caused this mess, and dumb asses like yourself have just stood there and continued to cry like spoilt brats and wind it all up.

You do remember that Boris Johnson was one of those idiot undemocratic MPs that voted against a deal to leave, don’t you?

 

[theonlymikey]

Mirror have been banned from Tory launch over "criticism" of the PM.

This is dangerous dangerous territory for the free press.

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[beorhthelm]

The return of the nasty party, with knobs on.

re the tweet claim, no legal action has actually occured yet. there hasnt even been a completed CPS case, to know if there is something for legal review, the family to lose and be sued over. we might consider its the lawyer pushing this.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I’m a lifelong socialist.

I have supported the Labour Party for the majority of elections since I became eligible to vote, I have held my nose and voted for Callaghan, Kinnock, and Blair(although I drew the line in Blair’s last election, and voted LD because of Iraq) Apart from Foot, Corbyn is the leader that I feel most empathy with, a decent man, perhaps too decent for politics, and policies I have waited my whole life to see endorsed by a truly socialist party.
I am also a realist, and I can see that leaving the world’s largest trading block without a deal,would be akin to fiscal suicide, and even if we could get a good deal it would be nowhere near as good as the one we’ve got at the moment.

I do disagree with Corbyn on Europe, but, I agree with him on every other issue facing our country at this time. I couldn’t vote LD ever again after they enabled Cameron’s governments cruel and uneccessary austerity programme. The Greens, although their heart is in the right place, have no chance atm, of forming a government, or even a major player in a coalition. The main thing for this election, is keeping the Tories out, achieve that and we won’t leave Europe, the NHS won’t be flogged off to American pharma and insurance companies,
That should be every left of centre, and centrists goal, it is the only game in town at this election.

Hopefully, neither of us will have wasted votes this time.

I agree with all of that, apart from your views on the Lib Dems. Labour had had 13 years in government and took an absolute shoeing in GE 2010. They even left a note to say the money had run out. They were out of the game. The UK was in a better place in 2015 than it was in 2010 but it was the Tories turning the screw in 2015-2019 that has caused austerity to really bite. The NHS was meeting a lot of its targets up to 2014/15 but has consistently missed them since.

 

[HH Brighton]

What utter deceitful scum this lot are. Anyone who votes for them needs to take a good hard look at themselves.

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They rely on the elderly, racist and the rich vote, only need 1 in 4 to vote for them.
I can accept a view to vote for all the others but imagine putting your x against a Conservative candidate? Bonkers.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I agree with all of that, apart from your views on the Lib Dems. Labour had had 13 years in government and took an absolute shoeing in GE 2010. They even left a note to say the money had run out. They were out of the game. The UK was in a better place in 2015 than it was in 2010 but it was the Tories turning the screw in 2015-2019 that has caused austerity to really bite. The NHS was meeting a lot of its targets up to 2014/15 but has consistently missed them since.

The Tories never had to deal with in the main a US subprime mortgage crash whose scale was unprecedented and bought down banking institutions with turnovers of small countries. The Tories still try to blame Labour for it, it’s utterly ridiculous that is still a narrative for some people.

 

[Grombleton]

What utter deceitful scum this lot are. Anyone who votes for them needs to take a good hard look at themselves.

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Sometimes I struggle to decide on which Tory, nay which politician i hate the most. Johnson? Farage? Raab? Hunt?

Then I remember that Gove exists.

 

[Baldseagull]

But the Lib Dems, Greens and SNP state clearly that they would revoke Article 50 by an emailed letter on day one.

Why on earth hasn’t Corbyn (or the Labour hierarchy) got the balls to say the same?

Why would the Corbynista’s who adore the EU in this thread not demand that he does that, and be thoroughly pissed off that he won’t commit to that?

BECAUSE CORBYN AND HIS NSC FAN-BOYS ARE PAYING PETTY PARTY POLITICS FIRST AND FOREMOST. PLAYING A GAME NOT IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST, OF NOT PUTTING OUR FULL MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU FIRST, IN A DUPLICITOUS APPROACH OF PRETENDING TO BE REMAIN TO SOME CONSTITUENCIES AND BREXIT TO OTHERS.

You’ve relentlessly told us tor 4 years that continued full EU membership is the issue of our times, then allow your hero in not making it the issue of our times by guaranteeing the revocation of Article 50.

Labour/Corbyn furtiveness.

Whilst full marks to Sturgeon, Lucas and Swinson, for having integrity and honesty.

Not a real fan of Corbyn, but he is following his credo that the party membership and the NEC should shape the party policy, not the Leader. At Labour Party conference there was discussion on whether to be a fully remain or a offer a Labour Brexit v Remain referendum, the democratic choice (some were dissatisfied that it was a show of hands and not a proper count, as it appeared close) was the latter. I would be happier if they were fully remain, but I am probably going to vote Labour, because that is the best chance available in Crawley to remove Henry Smith, an ERG member with hard right tendency in voting.

 

[Baldseagull]

The fact that the very people that are supposed to enact the will of the electorate have done everything they can to stop the result of the referendum from happening. Just wrong, and pointing out that the result was not legally binding is just semantics.

It not being legally binding, means that the result can not be legally challenged, so it is not just semantics. The criminality involved in the referendum campaigning would likely have made a legally binding referendum null and void.

 

[One Love]

Wont bankrupt the country - your turn

No deal!!!! Try again

 

[Baldseagull]

You obviously don't see the contradiction here . .

Not my point, but the point was a stones and glass houses one, it was not a contradiction.

 

[Baldseagull]

I just don't understand how people can say:-

'Yep, they get my vote'

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Just when I thought I had reached peak dislike of Michael Gove, he starts to look like Alan Pardew and goes up another level.

 

[Baldseagull]

I’m almost wishing Labour win, just to see what magical, mythical new deal Jezza will force the EU to succumb to. I wonder if Labour supporters really believe the EU will cave in to Jezza’s demands?

As far as I can tell, what he wants is inclusion in the customs Union, and close alignment to the Single Market, the EU will not be caving in, they will be biting his hand off, the only area of contention I can see that would take some negotiating is what fees are payable to the EU, other than the 80% of duties collected on imports. Single Market access will come at a price, and will include some form of free movement for workers.

 

[Baldseagull]

Brilliant post.

The insults heaped on Corbyn's head are increasingly silly. His judgement talking to the IRA 35 years ago? probably less dishonourable than 'Hang Nelson Mandela' Johnson. Certainly not childish, petulant and racist. And Boris hasn't changed in the slightest.

So, yes, the main thing now is to keep Boris out. With labour second in my constituency in the last GE, and only labour capable of beating Boris across the line nationally, (and because I am slowly warming to him), I'm also in camp Corbyn

That said, Westy voting green in his constutuency makes eminent sense.

And I can forgive the libs for clinging to Cameron's thigh in order to get into the boat of government way back when. It had been a long time for them. I'd have voted lib now if they had been the second place team in my constituency. But they aren't.

I do too, the Country was in dire need of a Government at the time, Libs would have been criticised for forming a co-alition with Labour as they were the party in power and had been rejected, but they played it as if they might to get a referendum on a form of PR, I feel that was the big prize for them, and I bet there are a few who voted against it wishing we had that system now.