The end of UK deep coal mining.

[beorhthelm]

Hopefully yes, Please specify a sustainable cleaner and less polluting supply. The emphasise of course, is on 'sustainable'.
Genuine question as wave power, wind power and solar panels are simply not up to the job of national demand.
Coal pollutes, yes. Alternatives need to be found because the above is also 'unsustainable'.

well gas for one. nuclear is the best option for base load of our electricity supply, sadly frowned upon and advances in technology for lower/no waste options havent been explored enough.

 

[The Rivet]

well gas for one.

According to what maybe a 'scare story' our agreement to the climate accord may ban gas by 2025.
Try again.

 

[jakarta]

Not trying to steer clear of anything conveniently,just stating that the house I live in at the moment doesn't have a coal fire.still I suppose the Tory work is now complete,working men and women rejoicing at the loss of other men and women's jobs in the name of progress.
Happy Christmas and good luck in the race to the bottom.

You didn't answer my initial question so presume you are not from a Mining Community nor have ever worked down a mine.

I'm not either but I have worked down mines (was down one just last week).

A professional colleague of mine is from a long standing mining community in South Wales and learned his trade down the Pits.

I'm going to paraphrase him a little but:

If you had ever worked down a Coal Mine you wouldn't want any of your friends or relatives to do so (he lost two relatives to silicosis).

Over the course of UK Coal mining tens of thousands of miners died in accidents, whether by explosion of fire damp or collapse of roofs etc..

In addition tens of thousands died of lung disease due to silica dust exposure, apart from those who suffered life changing diseases such as vibration white finger and noise induced hearing loss.

And all so we could burn the dirtiest hydrocarbon fuel, that polluted UK towns and cities for years and caused further lung disease amongst the general public and we now know probably caused global warming.

That's an Industry worth defending eh?

 

[yxee]

Like when Tory Blair bailed out the banks?
Thank goodness you cleared that up.

An irrelevant and weak comparison doesn't change anything about my original post.

I would gladly pay extra to know I'm using an energy supplier that used British coal.

If you were not in the minority with that view, then the coal industry may still be here.

 

[beorhthelm]

According to what maybe a 'scare story' our agreement to the climate accord may ban gas by 2025.
Try again.

your question was "Please specify a sustainable cleaner and less polluting supply". answer provided, less polluting than coal, which is the first on the chopping block for the climate accord. even the Chinese are cutting back on coal massivly.

 

[The Rivet]

your question was "Please specify a sustainable cleaner and less polluting supply". answer provided, less polluting than coal, which is the first on the chopping block for the climate accord. even the Chinese are cutting back on coal massivly.

Tame

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

You didn't answer my initial question so presume you are not from a Mining Community nor have ever worked down a mine.

I'm not either but I have worked down mines (was down one just last week).

A professional colleague of mine is from a long standing mining community in South Wales and learned his trade down the Pits.

I'm going to paraphrase him a little but:

If you had ever worked down a Coal Mine you wouldn't want any of your friends or relatives to do so (he lost two relatives to silicosis).

Over the course of UK Coal mining tens of thousands of miners died in accidents, whether by explosion of fire damp or collapse of roofs etc..

In addition tens of thousands died of lung disease due to silica dust exposure, apart from those who suffered life changing diseases such as vibration white finger and noise induced hearing loss.

And all so we could burn the dirtiest hydrocarbon fuel, that polluted UK towns and cities for years and caused further lung disease amongst the general public and we now know probably caused global warming.

That's an Industry worth defending eh?

Fair points well made,now we can channel billions of taxpayers money towards Fracking,that seems like a sensible alternative.
Whatever was I thinking?
So much better that we decimate our ,mining industry,our steel industry,our textile industry,ship building Industry and buy it cheaper from other countries with wonderful workers rights records.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

You didn't answer my initial question so presume you are not from a Mining Community nor have ever worked down a mine.

I'm not either but I have worked down mines (was down one just last week).

A professional colleague of mine is from a long standing mining community in South Wales and learned his trade down the Pits.

I'm going to paraphrase him a little but:

If you had ever worked down a Coal Mine you wouldn't want any of your friends or relatives to do so (he lost two relatives to silicosis).

Over the course of UK Coal mining tens of thousands of miners died in accidents, whether by explosion of fire damp or collapse of roofs etc..

In addition tens of thousands died of lung disease due to silica dust exposure, apart from those who suffered life changing diseases such as vibration white finger and noise induced hearing loss.

And all so we could burn the dirtiest hydrocarbon fuel, that polluted UK towns and cities for years and caused further lung disease amongst the general public and we now know probably caused global warming.

That's an Industry worth defending eh?

Now if we are talking Deaths,let,s ban road travel.

 

[jakarta]

Fair points well made,now we can channel billions of taxpayers money towards Fracking,that seems like a sensible alternative.
Whatever was I thinking?
So much better that we decimate our ,mining industry,our steel industry,our textile industry,ship building Industry and buy it cheaper from other countries with wonderful workers rights records.

As incoherent an answer as I have seen on NSC, which takes some doing. I didn't mention taxpayers money nor Fracking.

But having worked in the hydrocarbon extractive industry on the North Sea since 1991 perhaps I can address Fracking.

If it is as well controlled by the HSE and EA as Offshore Hydrocarbon extraction has proved to be I would be happy for it to happen under Sullington.

 

[gordonchas]

Heartbreaking,thatchers evil legacy,the destruction of community and industry.

How many times I have I seen such a comment, motivated as it is by the poster's own dogma and disregarding any semblance of a fact.

The fact is that coal mining was in decline from the 1930s in the entire western world, the trend line of employment and pit closures being entirely consistent regardless of whichever government was in power and regardless of which country it was in.

Perhaps you can come up with a good reason for the French closing their last coal mine eleven years ago?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

How many times I have I seen such a comment, motivated as it is by the poster's own dogma and disregarding any semblance of a fact.

The fact is that coal mining was in decline from the 1930s in the entire western world, the trend line of employment and pit closures being entirely consistent regardless of whichever government was in power and regardless of which country it was in.

Perhaps you can come up with a good reason for the French closing their last coal mine eleven years ago?

Because Nucluer is cheaper,until you have to clear the mess up.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Like when Tory Blair bailed out the banks?
Thank goodness you cleared that up.

Not the same at all. If the banking system stops the whole economy stops

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Not the same at all. If the banking system stops the whole economy stops

So say the bankers.

 

[gordonchas]

Because Nucluer is cheaper,until you have to clear the mess up.

Yes, it is, however I want to see how NBSML manages to link that to Thatcher.

 

[GT49er]

I presume you must be from a Mining Family, with in-depth knowledge of the British Coal Industry and sensible costed options for its continuation?

Seems a very presumptious presumption.

 

[Hampster Gull]

So say the bankers.

I suspect they do. But its a fact

 

[Chief Wiggum]

Hopefully yes, Please specify a sustainable cleaner and less polluting supply. The emphasise of course, is on 'sustainable'.
Genuine question as wave power, wind power and solar panels are simply not up to the job of national demand.
Coal pollutes, yes. Alternatives need to be found because the above is also 'unsustainable'.

Spot on. Wind and solar are intermittent, in the case of wind only working around 20 to 30% of the time. They will never be able to replace power stations be they coal, gas or nuclear because they cannot supply electricity on demand. When the wind don't blow the lights don't glow. Germany scrapped nuclear, has built and is building 1000's of wind turbines but has been forced to build new coal and lignite power stations to keep a stable supply of base load electricity. As a result Germany is now one of the largest polluters in Europe.

Renewables have flourished on their dodgy green credentials (Look up how industrial wind turbines are constructed and the materials they are made of) whilst nuclear has traditionally (and not without reason) received a bad press. Whilst countries like China invest their future in nuclear, forging ahead with new, safer power stations that will ensure a stable and cheap supply of power, Europe is wasting money on expensive, pointless and unreliable renewables. Nuclear power and its associated research needs a positive publicity campaign. Until other future technologies are realised, It is the best we have in order to cope with our ever growing demand for electricity.

 

[5ways]

Keep it in the ground.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Heartbreaking,thatchers evil legacy,the destruction of community and industry.

How many times I have I seen such a comment, motivated as it is by the poster's own dogma and disregarding any semblance of a fact.

The fact is that coal mining was in decline from the 1930s in the entire western world, the trend line of employment and pit closures being entirely consistent regardless of whichever government was in power and regardless of which country it was in.

Perhaps you can come up with a good reason for the French closing their last coal mine eleven years ago?

Harold Wilson closed more coal mines down, in the 60s, than Thatcher did in the 80s.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Harold Wilson closed more coal mines down, in the 60s, than Thatcher did in the 80s.

Pits have always closed as reserves are used up. It's a sad day for an industry that once employed over a million people and it's the end of an era. It was dangerous work that killed thousands.

Bracknell Towers has both an open coal fire and a coal-fired central heating system. Double glazing and good insulation is what keeps our energy bills low, though.