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Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,412
Debo said:
Colin is one of the strongest players at the club. His heading is not hest best attribute he admited this at the start of the season. Yet we continue to make this the main target of passes to him. His feet are as good as anyone elses, perhaps all considered he doesn't conspire the to what the style of play that the club and some of the fans at this club require.

That being the argument would create a different case to debate. Put in Southamton's team yesterday do yo honestly believe he would not of caused problems (ITV thought he was the only positive force for Brighton, but what do they know). If you really believe not we'll have to beg to differ.

We'll have to beg to differ I'm afraid, tho I respect your opinions. I'd agree that his feet are as good as anyone's at the club, maybe even the best since Bobby Zamora's. But that's only part of the package of being an Albion player. Taking Gary Hart as a role model really wouldn't do him any harm at all. Cos it's as much about chasing lost causes and scrapping for everything that wins the South Stand over, rightly or wrongly. Rightly IMHO.
 




Gordon the Gopher

Active member
Jul 16, 2003
992
Hove
Debo said:
colin has not read this post but he's dad has and he feels it's about time some of the critisisms on here were answered, so here goes.

First of all Colin and he's famlily now regaurd NSC as an abrieviation for NON STOP CRAP. His dad is finding the game by game debate on Colin very interesting to put it politely. He takes comfort and solice in the fact that the detractors (on this board) will have little bearing on Colin's long term future in the game and he thanks god for that. Every week someone on this makes some kind of veiled or blatant insult towards Colin on this board. Which they accept is part of what this board is for.

Check the posts if you like even the ones that are good have some sort of dig at him. There is even one about him and Albert getting on the team bus with apparently the biggest baseball hats ever seen and then expressed wonderment as to whether they had brought there guns in their bags. Check back.

With that type of attitude or belief I'm afraid is how Colin and his family believe he is being judged by most people. Rubbish some of you say. Not so nice when the very same accusation is levied at some of you.

As for yesterday A bad miss by Colins own standards let alone anyone else's I know Colin feels that the keeper stood up very well at edge of the box and he got caught in two minds. But his dad reckons that Colin's natural instincs would meant him doing a trick or two to go round the keeper. Something he was chastised for doing in last weeks game. Even though Colin dissagrees his dad is adamant that he would taken a different approach to that oppertunity, had he still no had that rebuke fresh in his mind. He adds that it is not an excuse he should still of scored

No disrespect Colin is not Gary Hart, but some of you are confusing his style and technique with your ill informed opinion on his attitude. Colin and his family are not saying that his game or his attitude are spot on but it is a far cry from a lot of the accusations on here.

If you knew the whole facts about his time theand experiences at Brighton a lot of you would shut the f--k up, but then again some of you wouldn't. Some of you think that because he plays football he''s privillaged and should put up with all the shit that is thrown at him. BOLLOCKS. Colin has worked his nuts for the last twelve years and is still working just as hard. His style and demenour does not suit everyone but the same can be said for any player.

To call him a clown and to say get rid he's useless is ridiculous but Colin and his family will be happy to meet and discuss this. To say that because of his miss yesterday we are going down is so far of the mark it has to be a joke. It is also very personal and insulting and really is not going to help at the minute.

Bollocks, keep doing that! Try again!

Perhaps you should check back through NSC's posts and you'll find that when there are any attempts at petty racism they are usually shot down in flames by the vast majority here. Even the majority of idiots who slag off CKR do so purely on footballing matters. Do not take one pathetic post about baseball hats and then practically call us racists.
I said that I felt the season effectively ended with that miss but if you bothered to read it carefully, you will see that it could have been anyone and that my post was generally supportive of CKR, as has a hell of a lot of other ones which you have chosen to ignore!
 


Debo

New member
Jan 27, 2006
26
crawley
Gordon the Gopher said:
Bollocks, keep doing that! Try again!

Perhaps you should check back through NSC's posts and you'll find that when there are any attempts at petty racism they are usually shot down in flames by the vast majority here. Even the majority of idiots who slag off CKR do so purely on footballing matters. Do not take one pathetic post about baseball hats and then practically call us racists.
I said that I felt the season effectively ended with that miss but if you bothered to read it carefully, you will see that it could have been anyone and that my post was generally supportive of CKR, as has a hell of a lot of other ones which you have chosen to ignore!



My freind the reference I made to the hats and gun comment to highlight the veiw that some hold of him. It was not a reffernce to his colour you not me have suggested that. Have you met his mother or her side of the family. Why make that comment it is not needed. So your saying I said hats and guns equal a black man. You need to get out more.


My comments about the miss were also not for you but own them if you wish. They were as a result of the title and first post but again if you wish to take ownership of it. Please read below


The Coca-Cola CLOWN
Could be the biggest waste of £250,000 EVER!!

Was absolutley shocking today,our Championship survival hinged on him putting that ball away today and he bottled it.

The money could have been spent much more wisely IMO on someone who could have contributed much more that a bag load of tricks and flicks

Maybe im just angry about today still but the kid was piss poor today,and has been a dissapoinment all season IMO.
 


vulture

Banned
Jul 26, 2004
16,515
Hey guys
CKR is a young man (19) learning and making his way in the game.
He had a good game yesterday and is the clubs leading goalscorer.He is playing in a shit team.Even the trolley is scoring goals at Bristol City.If you put ckr in a better team he would score 20 a season.
 


RonnieO'Sullivan

New member
Feb 21, 2005
2,823
CKR has my full backing...

as do the other young under-fire strikers Jake and Gatting...
 




Albion Edd

Brighton til die
Jul 5, 2003
2,209
Patcham
vulture said:
Hey guys
CKR is a young man (19) learning and making his way in the game.
He had a good game yesterday and is the clubs leading goalscorer.He is playing in a shit team.Even the trolley is scoring goals at Bristol City.If you put ckr in a better team he would score 20 a season.

I agree with that.

He's clearly a player whose best with the ball at his feet and he's been without a target man alongside him for the whole season, I think he's looked much better in the games alnogside GNW because when we just lump the balls up the pitch he now has someone who can win flick ons for him.
 


Jam The Man

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
8,227
South East North Lancing
At the end of the day, some of the brighter moments of a poor season have been provided from Kaz... FFS the lad is only 19, and the dog's abuse he has had to suffer - even if it is in the heat of the moment- has been appalling.

Biased I may be, but i've met the guy.. and his dad.. and there's loads of courage and integrity there...

Make no mistake that Colin Kazim-Richards is trying desperately hard for this club.

How many players are the finished article after less than 50 starts? Give the guy your backing, don't attack him.


And that last comment particularly goes for the ignorant tw*t who sits in my viscinity at Withdean.
 
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Dave the OAP

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
46,762
at home
Interesting repost Debo.


The problem CKR has and everyone who pulls on an Albion shirt and plays up front is the Ward and Zamora factor.

The older memebrs on here remember Wardy as being a sublime talent who gave 100% and his "showboating" was kept to a minimum as he didnt really have to "showboat" He scored goals some easy some sublime and was loved by supporters who never even saw him play. Zamora was a terrific talent who gave 100% in most games ( yes he had his moments) He scored goals that other players dream of - Halifax at home as an example, and single handedly brought us promotion and fame.

That is CKR's problem and one he is going to have to get over.

Yes some people go over the top at him, but my arguement with his "ability" is that he undoubtadly has oodles of it, he is just so frustrating when he tries the clever flicks when the straight forward ball is required. He is young , he will learn, but we are and have been this season in a dogfight, and in a dogfight, fighters come to the fore. In my humble oipinion, he has not the experience or guile yet to be that fighter. Its not his fault, he just hasn't.

Where people have come from is the fact that this season we have spent £250k on him and his wages and £150k on an Argentinian who is a misfit. When we were haggling over £10k with Villa over Hendersons fee, then for £400k I would have thought we would have at least got a 20 goal a year man.

I suggest CKR's dad gets a reality check and realises that his som may have a talent most of us would only dream of, if he doesnt show it, then he is going to be critisised.....we all do mundane jobs in IT and Insurance, banking and the like...playing football is a hobby which someone happens to be good at and played bloody well for.
 


Jam The Man

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
8,227
South East North Lancing
sir danny cullip said:
You should make him aware you are in fact a CELEBRITY and tell him to shut the fcuk up! :angry: :p

LOL! I don't think that bubble holds any water!
 




Les Biehn

GAME OVER
Aug 14, 2005
20,610
1. He's 19
2. He probably our most talented player
3. He can be a bit petulant

1+2=3, that's just the way it goes. I wish the Gary Hart comparisons would stop. Hart is player of limited talent who has made the most of his career by being super fit and giving unbelievable effort. CKR is a 19yr old with bags of talent who will learn to deal with decisions going against him, being fouled and mistakes on the pitch. They are different players. I believe 95% of the fans are behind colin and I think we are privileged to have a player of his talent.
 




The Oldman

I like the Hat
NSC Patron
Jul 12, 2003
7,160
In the shadow of Seaford Head
Dies Irae said:
Interesting repost Debo.


The problem CKR has and everyone who pulls on an Albion shirt and plays up front is the Ward and Zamora factor.

The older memebrs on here remember Wardy as being a sublime talent who gave 100% and his "showboating" was kept to a minimum as he didnt really have to "showboat" He scored goals some easy some sublime and was loved by supporters who never even saw him play. Zamora was a terrific talent who gave 100% in most games ( yes he had his moments) He scored goals that other players dream of - Halifax at home as an example, and single handedly brought us promotion and fame.

That is CKR's problem and one he is going to have to get over.

Yes some people go over the top at him, but my arguement with his "ability" is that he undoubtadly has oodles of it, he is just so frustrating when he tries the clever flicks when the straight forward ball is required. He is young , he will learn, but we are and have been this season in a dogfight, and in a dogfight, fighters come to the fore. In my humble oipinion, he has not the experience or guile yet to be that fighter. Its not his fault, he just hasn't.

Where people have come from is the fact that this season we have spent £250k on him and his wages and £150k on an Argentinian who is a misfit. When we were haggling over £10k with Villa over Hendersons fee, then for £400k I would have thought we would have at least got a 20 goal a year man.

I suggest CKR's dad gets a reality check and realises that his som may have a talent most of us would only dream of, if he doesnt show it, then he is going to be critisised.....we all do mundane jobs in IT and Insurance, banking and the like...playing football is a hobby which someone happens to be good at and played bloody well for.

Top post Dave. Been thinking all night how best to respond to CKR's Dad's spokeperson. Your post says all the right things. I would add one other factor. CKR does not seem to enjoy his football. Adrian Thorne, Bobby Smith, Peter Ward, and Bobby Zamora always seemed positive whereas CKR is moaning at the ref; other players or shrugging his shoulders at the bench. Talent without the right attitude ain't no good.

Hope the summer rest will do him good but next season in Division1 is make or break time.
 




Jul 24, 2003
2,289
Newbury, Berkshire.
NSC = ' Non stop crap ' ! ........ I'd agree with that sometimes. :down:

Perhaps he should avoid looking at ' North Stand Polls ' then. That'll really open his eyes. :lolol:
 


Rougvie

Rising Damp
Aug 29, 2003
5,131
Hove, f***ing ACTUALLY.
It does not help that there seem to be many young players in the game at the moment who seem to want all the 'bling' type benefits that come from being a professional footballer, but dont seem to want to put in the effort to be anything better than average.

They also seem to take critisism very badly.

Maybe we are a bit blinkered by the whole Leon Knight saga, and a bit spoiled by Bobby Zamora who played with a smile on his face and regardless of a situation always semmed to roll his sleeves up and get on with it.

My whole take on this is that Colin is an extremely talented individual who I personally have always thought will be a Premeirship player one day if he has the right attitude, he is however doing himself no favours by acting in the 'en-vogue' manner of thinking that he is above critisism and that by being a profesional footballer he is entitled to all the riches for very little effort, we have seen it all before, by players more talented than he.
 


Dick Knights Mumm

Take me Home Falmer Road
Jul 5, 2003
19,736
Hither and Thither
Sometimes I think I am watching a different set of players from some of the posters here. CKR is a young lad with fantastic ability. He could go on to score a lot of goals for this Club. He is playing in a team that is low on confidence, and the quality of ball he is receiving is generally poor. He missed a sitter on Saturday - but so does Crespo - and *whispers* the Bobster. I didn't come away from thinking anything about his attitude or performance - other than with better support he was our match winner.

I can't believe anyone is considering writing him off.

You will do for me CKR.
 


Igor Gurinovich?

New member
Mar 27, 2006
345
Southampton
Dick Knights Mum said:
Sometimes I think I am watching a different set of players from some of the posters here. CKR is a young lad with fantastic ability. He could go on to score a lot of goals for this Club. He is playing in a team that is low on confidence, and the quality of ball he is receiving is generally poor. He missed a sitter on Saturday - but so does Crespo - and *whispers* the Bobster. I didn't come away from thinking anything about his attitude or performance - other than with better support he was our match winner.

I can't believe anyone is considering writing him off.

You will do for me CKR.


:clap: quite agree, CKR is a young lad with loads of ability who will only get better (we hope)
 




Spiros

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
2,376
Too far from the sun
Mouldy Boots said:
He does have the ability - what does get to me is when he physically drops his head for even the smallest mistake he makes - just get straight back on with it Colin and you will improve.
To be fair, after he missed the one-on-one he was kicking himself. When he next got the ball he beat about 4 players, including one very crunching tackle, and put GNW in for one of our other best chances of the game. Earlier in the season he would've just sulked until being subbed, but not Saturday.

With any talented kid still learning their trade you'll see crap one minute and brilliance the next. I don't think he played that many games for Bury before he came to us.
 


Debo

New member
Jan 27, 2006
26
crawley
My whole take on this is that Colin is an extremely talented individual who I personally have always thought will be a Premeirship player one day if he has the right attitude, he is however doing himself no favours by acting in the 'en-vogue' manner of thinking that he is above critisism and that by being a profesional footballer he is entitled to all the riches for very little effort, we have seen it all before, by players more talented than he. [/B]



And all of your opinions about his attitude are based on what personal experience of him. You experiences and use of the term bling are probably those that certain industries have sold to you. You have never seen Colin wearing any BLING yet you still label him. You don't count but unfortunatley some of those who do are no better

Colin has left a world where his peers kidnap maim and KILL each other from a very young age there are 15 year olds with more money cars and real bling that they have aqquired through voilent or illegal crime. Recently a 17 year old Asian was doused in petrol by a rival gang set alite and killed. These are the people the that the phrase was coined for real thugs, not some media discription of a young so called celebrity

Colin is a major support and mentor back in his own community. Last year he addressed over 500 young black children many from rival gangs in his local area at a youth conference at Walthamstow assembly hall, telling them to pusure their dreams, educate themselfs and to stop the violence.

Check the national stats Waltham Forest has had the highest rise for gun crime in the country. The story about wearing bullet proof vest to school is true Colin actually coaches two kids from that school on a Sunday morning. He vists local schools and training centres, he has just had a framed shirt done for his school thanking them for helping him. He is totally accessable to the members of his local community. How many professional sportsman can you say that about. He fills in at the drop of a hat for any campiagn the club ask him to. These people have no problem with his attitude but you do.

Maybe you know him better than he knows himself. I think not. Tell us what you think of him as a player thats fine. Because as a person the people that care for him already know who he is.
 
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