[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Crawley Dingo]

Please provide the evidence that Trump twice told the crowds to behave peacefully before 2.24pm.

The only evidence uncovered so far is that he did not do this until quite some time after the main event - so I would like to see what you are citing and relying on please.

And don't just tell me to google it or look it myself - I have tried to, and I cannot find it anywhere. So, you must have links to something that shows this to have happened - please provide them.

Once on twitter,

Did Trump Tweet 'Stay Peaceful' on Day of Capitol Riot?

We looked at the context behind a meme that showed two messages purportedly tweeted by Trump on the day of the Capitol riot.

www.snopes.com

During the speech,

 

[Triggaaar]

Trump Didn't Tell People to 'Inject Bleach' for COVID-19. But Here's What He Did Say

Trump's confusing remarks near the start of the coronavirus pandemic were revived during the 2024 presidential campaign.

www.snopes.com

Yes, that's what I said

"During an April 2020 media briefing, Trump did ask members of the government's coronavirus task force to look into whether disinfectants could be injected inside people to treat COVID-19"

No it hasn't. He talked live in front of a group of reporters and said that disinfectant and UV light kills Covid, and then he went off script and suggested maybe we could look at getting those into the body to get rid of the virus.

So don't claim it's been debunked, it's true that he said it.

Obviously people take the piss (because he's an idiot, his advice is beyond stupid, and it's funny) and say 'oh my god he's telling people to drink bleach', which is not what he said (and not what Zeberdi or I claimed), but he did say about injecting disinfectant into people's bodies, which would not remove covid until it killed the patient.

 

[Triggaaar]

Please provide the evidence that Trump twice told the crowds to behave peacefully before 2.24pm.

Once on twitter,

Did Trump Tweet 'Stay Peaceful' on Day of Capitol Riot?

We looked at the context behind a meme that showed two messages purportedly tweeted by Trump on the day of the Capitol riot.

www.snopes.com

Yeah, that's at 2.38pm, after the violence had started. And the people already rioting in the Capitol weren't reading Twitter at that point.

 

[Bodian]

Once on twitter,

Did Trump Tweet 'Stay Peaceful' on Day of Capitol Riot?

We looked at the context behind a meme that showed two messages purportedly tweeted by Trump on the day of the Capitol riot.

www.snopes.com

During the speech,

So - the tweet was AFTER they were in the Capitol, and AFTER the violence...... That completely contradicts what you said had happened timeline wise. Do you agree?

Regarding the speech, you need to listen to what he actually said, and in the context of what else he said at the same speech.

The bit I guess you are referring to is "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Now - that isn't exactly telling them to behave peacefully is it. He doesn't say 'behave peacefully'. And then after telling a lot of lies about the ballots, he ended up by telling them "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.". In a speech, which bit do you go away with uppermost in your minds - a sentence about a fifth of the way in, or the sentences at the end?

 

[sparkie]

I’m not sure if you’re dumb as a bag of cabbage, a troll, or a performance artist.

Either way, you’re quite entertaining.

Will you be gigging anywhere near Lancing anytime soon?

It is clearly an act. Olympic fishing.

Because no one can be that far down the rabbit hole.

 

[sparkie]

Better a vacuous dullard running the country than a demented, narcissistic, racist, misogynist, xenophobic felon.

You forgot Putin-worshipping.

 

[Motogull]

It is clearly an act. Olympic fishing.

Because no one can be that far down the rabbit hole.

In fairness, there is a clue in the Avatar. He's done us all. Fair play.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Obviously people take the piss (because he's an idiot, his advice is beyond stupid, and it's funny) and say 'oh my god he's telling people to drink bleach', which is not what he said (and not what Zeberdi or I claimed), but he did say about injecting disinfectant into people's bodies, which would not remove covid until it killed the patient.

Which DOES make Trump a true idiot!

 

[peterward]

"Any State"......

he's gonna try it again.



#StopTheSteal

 

[bhafc99]

"Any State"......

he's gonna try it again.



#StopTheSteal

The Republicans have effectively abandoned democracy. “It’s only an election if we win” is the same as living in North Korea.

 

[Superphil]

We’re currently on holiday in central Pennsylvania , around here the seems to be little support for Kamala Harris. We spent Saturday night and most of Sunday in New Jersey, the sentiment there seemed similar. We’ve tried to avoid the conversation as much as we can, I get the feeling that they don’t necessarily want trump, but they absolutely don’t want Harris. The TV campaign adverts are stunningly frank, and there are even a couple with republicans saying that they can’t support trump. It’s a mess .

 

[Zeberdi]

We’re currently on holiday in central Pennsylvania , around here the seems to be little support for Kamala Harris. We spent Saturday night and most of Sunday in New Jersey, the sentiment there seemed similar. We’ve tried to avoid the conversation as much as we can, I get the feeling that they don’t necessarily want trump, but they absolutely don’t want Harris. The TV campaign adverts are stunningly frank, and there are even a couple with republicans saying that they can’t support trump. It’s a mess .

Sadly a reflection of where things are nationally over all. Neck and neck or with both parties within margin of error of winning or losing.

Harris isn’t going to make any headway in the 4 weeks left either according to political analysts I’ve read.

In Penn the biggest voting block is the older voters (50+) and she is trailing Trump significantly with the top issue for older voters being the economy..

It’s going to be a tossup up in the largest swing state - I wouldn’t be surprised to see a recount and Trump causing lots of controversy around the result if he loses.

Who will win Pennsylvania? | The Hill and DDHQ

View the latest Pennsylvania predictions between .

elections2024.thehill.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/01/pennsylvania-aarp-poll-september-00181788

 

[highflyer]

WWell,

Yet there is still not one person on here with a legitimate reason for voting for Harris...a vacuous dullard

I'll make the mistake of taking this semi-seriously

Obviously, like most on here, I don't have a vote, so clearly I have no 'legitimate reason' for voting for Harris.
However...

It's hard to really know from a distance what each person stands for. Campaigning in the US appears to be less about explaining policy and ideology and more about making the same speech, over and over again, which is mainly about how bad the other candidate is plus some big 'whoop yeah' bits to stir things up. And if you want 'broad brush' reasons, about American values of inclusion and equal opprtunity, then Mr Springsteen (see above) has summed it up better than I ever could.

In terms of specifics though, what I do happen to know, from people that pay more attention and are more involved than me, is two things:

1. Harris takes a strong position on workers rights. Stronger than Biden, who was already (suprisingy) stronger than previous Democrats. So if you are are a working person in the US, and want protection for basic rights, like the right to organize, decent pay, security etc then that would be a very good reason to vote Harris

2. Any chance of long term peace in the middle east relies on a diplomatic solution, based on a two-state agreement. And America is key to achieving that. It still seems highly unlikely in the near future but, despite having to tread a careful line, Harris has put herself in a far far better position than Trump to be able to take that forward with any legitimacy.

So there's a couple of 'legitimate' reasons at least why you might want to vote Harris if you are in a position to do so.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

The election isn't even going to be close and it's going to be wonderful coming on here on the Wednesday and revelling in the tears of the then thrice defeated Trump.

 

[The Clamp]

Once on twitter,

Did Trump Tweet 'Stay Peaceful' on Day of Capitol Riot?

We looked at the context behind a meme that showed two messages purportedly tweeted by Trump on the day of the Capitol riot.

www.snopes.com

During the speech,

Wasn’t this after they had started bashing the doors down at CH?

 

[Albion my Albion]

The election isn't even going to be close and it's going to be wonderful coming on here on the Wednesday and revelling in the tears of the then thrice defeated Trump.

Unfortunately you are wrong. It is going to be extremely close and it will come down to small amounts of votes making a difference in each battleground state. If the Dems don't get out every voter possible, especially in Georgia and North Carolina where Hurricane Helene just hit and the infrastructure for voting may not even be in place by election day in less than a month Harris could lose even though she has more of the popular vote.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I get the MAGA cultists, you will always get these people in any country. But we're talking about 47% that intend to vote for him.

Like many I still don't get it....

It's pretty simple, Biden and now Harris are awful awful options as well.

If Trump gets in it's because the Dems didn't pull Biden sooner/Harris was the replacement, any one decent would be miles ahead in the polls.

Only seen clips of it, but Harris interview on CBS seemed painful.

People see Trump as a slightly less awful option.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

To think that Harris is an "awful" option, you'd have to know nothing about her policies or her record of public service. Dislike the woman if you want to, but to dismiss her as "awful" is ridiculous and childish. She's a highly accomplished woman who is extremely well qualified to do the work of the presidency.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

Just as an aside, I really hope there will be a time that politics goes back to being about people who want to do the work rather than people who want to make a fortune and become famous for being famous and in a position of power with no appreciation for it, understanding of it or passion to use it for positive outcomes.

All joking aside, the Biden presidency has been historically successful in terms of passing legislation and making a real impact in people's lives. That doesn't mean to say it's been universally positive, obviously it hasn't been because it's the real world and not the West Wing. But history will clearly remember the Biden presidency as successful and a positive return to the norms of competency after the chaos and catastrophe of Trump.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

To think that Harris is an "awful" option, you'd have to know nothing about her policies or her record of public service. Dislike the woman if you want to, but to dismiss her as "awful" is ridiculous and childish. She's a highly accomplished woman who is extremely well qualified to do the work of the presidency.

Except that's not what's coming over when she's interviewed is it ?

She can be a highly accomplished woman and be completely ill suited to being the president.