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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,245
Cumbria
Further to the above - Trump now asking Biden to “blow Iran to smithereens”


Donald Trump has called on Joe Biden to issue a stern warning to Iran over reported threats against his life.

"If I were the president, I would inform the threatening country, in this case Iran, that if you do anything to harm this person, we are going to blow your largest cities and the country itself to smithereens,"

Surely this is proof enough that Trump’s belligerent rhetoric is a significant threat to worsening global instability? - while Israel led by Trump backed-Netanyahu is threatening to invade Lebanon (which will prompt for certain, direct retaliation from Iran), Trump is more incensed that he might be unpopular with any world leader, including Iran.

It undermines his whole blustering narcissistic egocentrism - that he could end the war in Ukraine and Iran ‘tomorrow’ or ‘they never would have this war if I was President’ (lies)


On Ukraine, his attitude is no less concerning.

“Trump says Ukraine is 'dead' and 'demolished'

Donald Trump has said people in Ukraine are "dead" and described the country as "demolished" during a campaign event in North Carolina.

The former president argued that Ukraine should have made concessions to Russian President Vladimir Putin in the months before the war started. “

While everyone else is working hard to support Ukraine, Trump is more concerned about his personal popularity and attacking Zelenskyy :

“The president of Ukraine is in our country and he's making little, nasty aspersions towards your favourite president, me," he said, according to our US partner site NBC News. “

The man is utterly despicable and some might even argue, deliberately provoking assassination attempts just so he can play the victim card and win votes.

“Around the world, our enemies are desperate to prevent Donald Trump from returning to the White House because they know I will make America great again. They don't want that," he said.”

Authorities have made no such connection between the two assassination attempts and Iran.


Surely, according to his own playbook, there is no need to threaten Iran at all - all he needs do is 'make a deal' with them, like he suggests Ukraine should have done before they knew they were going to be invaded.
 




bhafc99

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Oct 14, 2003
7,455
Dubai
Surely, according to his own playbook, there is no need to threaten Iran at all - all he needs do is 'make a deal' with them, like he suggests Ukraine should have done before they knew they were going to be invaded.
Yeah, I thought that every global situation/crisis/conflict etc just needs the Trumpster to be become involved, and it's instantly 'sorted'? :shrug:
 


Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
NSC Patron
Oct 20, 2022
6,932
Yeah, I thought that every global situation/crisis/conflict etc just needs the Trumpster to be become involved, and it's instantly 'sorted'? :shrug:
Surely, according to his own playbook, there is no need to threaten Iran at all - all he needs do is 'make a deal' with them, like he suggests Ukraine should have done before they knew they were going to be invaded.

Both right - sadly.

Trump on the campaign trail in North Carolina:

“Those cities are gone, they’re gone, and we continue to give billions of dollars to a man who refused to make a deal, Zelensky. There was no deal that he could have made that wouldn’t have been better than the situation you have right now. You have a country that has been obliterated, not possible to be rebuilt,”

Senior leading Republicans refusing to even meet Zelenskyy while he is Stateside.

I was accused earlier in the week of not being ’morally outraged’ enough by the WFA withdrawal from pensioners above the cut off for means-tested benefits (even though I disagreed with and criticised the policy numerous times) - my response was that I channel that energy into being active in politics and campaigning for change in real life (I rarely commented on the UK political threads; Labour/Tory/Brexit etc, prior to the General Election but I did dedicated hours over a period of weeks to getting rid of our local Tory MP who coincidentally was the worse leader of this Country in modern times. I don’t have that outlet of my outrage in the US General Election, I don’t have a vote and I can’t campaign for the Democrats (although if I had been younger and healthier, I certainly would be over there helping my family Democrat activists in this election). Therefore, all that is left for me in this situation is to express moral outrage on a football forum where it makes not the slightest difference to anything.

That is why I express my anger and moral outrage against Trump - I feel utterly powerless to make a difference and it breaks my heart that he dismisses the plight of Ukranians and Palestinians - two peoples being indiscriminately slaughtered by illegal occupiers and invaders and now the Lebanese (30% of whom are Christian btw) . I am concerned deeply for the future of Ukraine and Palestine under a Trump Presidency and the consequences to both Europe and the ME if either population succumbs to genocide and territory annexed to the occupiers.

He is an appeaser of dictators - we laugh and mock him but he is a CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER ⚠️
 
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Mental Lental

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
2,299
Shiki-shi, Saitama
Both right - sadly.

Trump on the campaign trail in North Carolina:

“Those cities are gone, they’re gone, and we continue to give billions of dollars to a man who refused to make a deal, Zelensky. There was no deal that he could have made that wouldn’t have been better than the situation you have right now. You have a country that has been obliterated, not possible to be rebuilt,”

Senior leading Republicans refusing to even meet Zelenskyy while he is Stateside.

I was accused earlier in the week of not being ’morally outraged’ enough by the WFA withdrawal from pensioners above the cut off for means-tested benefits (even though I disagreed with and criticised the policy numerous times) - my response was that I channel that energy into being active in politics and campaigning for change in real life (I rarely commented on the UK political threads; Labour/Tory/Brexit etc, prior to the General Election but I did dedicated hours over a period of weeks to getting rid of our local Tory MP who coincidentally was the worse leader of this Country in modern times. I don’t have that outlet of my outrage in the US General Election, I don’t have a vote and I can’t campaign for the Democrats (although if I had been younger and healthier, I certainly would be over there helping my family Democrat activists in this election). Therefore, all that is left for me in this situation is to express moral outrage on a football forum where it makes not the slightest difference to anything.

That is why I express my anger and moral outrage against Trump - I feel utterly powerless to make a difference and it breaks my heart that he dismisses the plight of Ukranians and Palestinians - two peoples being indiscriminately slaughtered by illegal occupiers and invaders and now the Lebanese (30% of whom are Christian btw) . I am concerned deeply for the future of Ukraine and Palestine under a Trump Presidency and the consequences to both Europe and the ME if either population succumbs to genocide and territory annexed to the occupiers.

He is an appeaser of dictators - we laugh and mock him but he is a CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER ⚠️
I still find it unfathomable that we have to rely on about 20,000 people in Pennsylvania to make the right choice or watch this orange bungle**** get to ratfuck the entire world.
 






US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,661
Cleveland, OH
The grift doesn't stop:



The Trump watch line is offering two models, dubbed the Trump Victory Tourbillon and the Fight Fight Fight Watch. The Tourbillon watch is "almost entirely" crafted from 18 carat gold and includes 122 diamonds, according to the Trump watch website. It also includes a tourbillon mechanism, a high-end component that is designed to improve a watch's accuracy, and carries a $100,000 price tag.
The Fight Fight Fight watch sells for between $500 and $800, depending on the color, and is gold-plated, the site says.
And I thought Biden had destroyed the economy and nobody could afford to live anymore?
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,500
Vilamoura, Portugal
Both right - sadly.

Trump on the campaign trail in North Carolina:

“Those cities are gone, they’re gone, and we continue to give billions of dollars to a man who refused to make a deal, Zelensky. There was no deal that he could have made that wouldn’t have been better than the situation you have right now. You have a country that has been obliterated, not possible to be rebuilt,”

Senior leading Republicans refusing to even meet Zelenskyy while he is Stateside.

I was accused earlier in the week of not being ’morally outraged’ enough by the WFA withdrawal from pensioners above the cut off for means-tested benefits (even though I disagreed with and criticised the policy numerous times) - my response was that I channel that energy into being active in politics and campaigning for change in real life (I rarely commented on the UK political threads; Labour/Tory/Brexit etc, prior to the General Election but I did dedicated hours over a period of weeks to getting rid of our local Tory MP who coincidentally was the worse leader of this Country in modern times. I don’t have that outlet of my outrage in the US General Election, I don’t have a vote and I can’t campaign for the Democrats (although if I had been younger and healthier, I certainly would be over there helping my family Democrat activists in this election). Therefore, all that is left for me in this situation is to express moral outrage on a football forum where it makes not the slightest difference to anything.

That is why I express my anger and moral outrage against Trump - I feel utterly powerless to make a difference and it breaks my heart that he dismisses the plight of Ukranians and Palestinians - two peoples being indiscriminately slaughtered by illegal occupiers and invaders and now the Lebanese (30% of whom are Christian btw) . I am concerned deeply for the future of Ukraine and Palestine under a Trump Presidency and the consequences to both Europe and the ME if either population succumbs to genocide and territory annexed to the occupiers.

He is an appeaser of dictators - we laugh and mock him but he is a CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER ⚠️
We all know the deal that Trump and Putin would have demanded, and will demand if the criminal predator gets back in, would be a surrender and the loss of much, if not all, of Ukraine.
Should the worst happen and Trump get back in (I don't think he will without vote rigging) we can only hope the EU fully supports Ukraine and continues to supply the weaponry needed.
 






Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,245
Cumbria
Latest polling data:

Harris 48.6%, Trump 45.7% - average of national polls.

I read the other day though that the Democrats have won the popular vote seven of the last eight elections. Yet the Democratic Candidate was only elected in five of those eight. The swing states really do hold the key rather than the overall vote.
 




















sully

Dunscouting
Jul 7, 2003
7,933
Worthing
Yes it is.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Yours is another Americanism:
So, over the years, the original proverb has evolved. The original was the proof of the pudding is in the eating. It was shortened to the proof of the pudding, and then here in America, it morphed again to the proof is in the pudding.

See also a UK source:
 
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