[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Stat Brother]

can i ask you what you get out of all of this, i'm assuming you're english and live in england, is that correct?

All these lovely replies from the wokist lefty limpwrists crying in their vanilla soy lattes.
Because they can't handle the truth.

nommm nom nommmmmm

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

If he becomes president again he can pardon* himself and the court cases would have to stop.

Unless Congress (republican majority) vote to impeach him. And the chances of that are.......zero.

Trump has to become president again in order to shore up his finances and untouchability. The only thing that may stop him is a conviction before the election. And I say 'may'.

*This looks unacceptably bad to UK eyes, but it would be legal in America, and the president is like the king in the US, in that it is considered unpatriotic by 80 million plus to not bow down to the president. My president, right or wrong.

And let's not forget, it took the resolve of the conservative party to free the nation of Johnson. A man whose narcissism is beaten only by his laziness. Trump isn't lazy, sadly. And the republicans are not prepared to put the nation or even their own reputation and legacy above fealty to their Big Dog.

We can never say what would have happened, but as mentioned before the Dems went after him (rightly so) he was not going to become the president, as you have suggested, he is doing it to pardon himself.

If they had just held on till 25 we would not have been facing another 4 years of Trump, its backfired on them

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

So when is a bloodbath ever a good thing? And, if it's about trade, there won't ACTUALLY be a bloodbath, will there?

So why say it? Language matters.

a quick google shows its been used before.

Biden warns against primary bloodbath as Sanders sharpens attacks ahead of key contests

Democratic rivals are preparing for a showdown in crucial midwest primary contests in Michigan and Missouri on Tuesday

www.theguardian.com

 

[Zeberdi]

We can never say what would have happened, but as mentioned before the Dems went after him (rightly so) he was not going to become the president, as you have suggested, he is doing it to pardon himself.

If they had just held on till 25 we would not have been facing another 4 years of Trump, its backfired on them

Did you miss my earlier response to you on this point, yesterday?

’The Dems’ are not ‘going after‘ Trump, the Department of Justice is -

For anyone to keep saying these indictments are being brought by the Democrats is giving weight to the lies Trump wants his supporters to believe - that he is the ’victim of a witch hunt’ and he is only being indicted because he is running for President - this is absolute nonsense.


As for timing, these Grand jury investigations started way back in 2020 some dating back to even before he became President - and they invariably do take years, some including the Stormy Daniels case, in which the Grand Jury convened in 2021 stem back to 2016. Trump did not enter the Presidential race until November 2022 after these investigations began.

Your point about ‘leaving it until 2025’ assumes Biden will win - the DiJ don’t make that kind of political decision about when to indict someone.

Leaving it until 2025 would be exactly what Trump wants and is trying for, hence all the appeals he keeps making to delay proceedings - It is much harder to criminally indict a sitting President, it has not been done before, and the Constitution is not clear on the issue of immunity for sitting Presidents, who btw is immune from civil litigation anyway. . This is one of the reasons that several criminal cases were not filed until 2020 after Trump was no longer President.

Also, whatever your opinion of Trump, an American Presidency that ties a President up in criminal trials and litigation for his entire term would not be at all good for the Country.

 

[Bodian]

We can never say what would have happened, but as mentioned before the Dems went after him (rightly so) he was not going to become the president, as you have suggested, he is doing it to pardon himself.

If they had just held on till 25 we would not have been facing another 4 years of Trump, its backfired on them

If Trump had co-operated a bit, and not made his whole tactic to stall for as long as possible, many of these cases would have been done and dusted by now. They have been rumbling on for years - not suddenly introduced in the run up to the election.

 

[Zeberdi]

If Trump had co-operated a bit, and not made his whole tactic to stall for as long as possible, many of these cases would have been done and dusted by now. They have been rumbling on for years - not suddenly introduced in the run up to the election.

A point I have tried to make several times now in response to KG but he doesn‘t see it or perhaps prefers not to because it does not support the narrative that Trump is maintaining about it being the Dems that are targeting him with these indictments and allegation of the crimes he’s committed have no foundation in truth but are all lies and just a political witch-hunt.

 

[Bodian]

Hang on - I thought this was all a 'Democratic' Witch-Hunt? Liz Cheney is a republican - but he's going after her now....

Trump calls for Liz Cheney to be jailed for investigating him over Capitol attack

Former president’s posts on Truth Social about Republican critic stoke fears of persecution of opponents if he wins 2024 election

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodian]

This from the Guardian in February.

Sounds as though he may have been lying on oath, as if he had $400m kicking around, he wouldn't need to raise the full amount would he. What a surprise.

Trump's lawyers say it is impossible for him to post bond covering $454 million civil fraud judgment

Donald Trump’s lawyers told a New York appellate court on Monday that it’s impossible for him to post a bond covering the full amount of his $454 million civil fraud judgment while he appeals

abcnews.go.com

 

[papachris]

This from the Guardian in February.

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Sounds as though he may have been lying on oath, as if he had $400m kicking around, he wouldn't need to raise the full amount would he. What a surprise.

Trump's lawyers say it is impossible for him to post bond covering $454 million civil fraud judgment

Donald Trump’s lawyers told a New York appellate court on Monday that it’s impossible for him to post a bond covering the full amount of his $454 million civil fraud judgment while he appeals

abcnews.go.com

I also read this in the news. What happens now?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

‘Dog whistles are a calculated tactic used to manipulate and stoke prejudice in others. Dog whistles are often deployed with the aim to spread and amplify racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, aporophobia, or other antagonistic attitudes towards marginalised groups. Plausible deniability and reliance on “outgroups” not understanding the coded message aimed at the “ingroup” are key components for all dog whistles’

I can’t be bothered to reference the meaning above which is in the context I was using it.

Why do you waste time with that WUM wanka?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A point I have tried to make several times now in response to KG but he doesn‘t see it or perhaps prefers not to because it does not support the narrative that Trump is maintaining about it being the Dems that are targeting him with these indictments and allegation of the crimes he’s committed have no foundation in truth but are all lies and just a political witch-hunt.

He is a pretty crap troll. Trolls shouldn't put detractors on ignore. They should target them and wind them up.

I'm beginning to think he may be a bit . . . .you know?

thick

 

[Zeberdi]

I also read this in the news. What happens now?

He’ll have to sell some properties - although not for as much as he originally claimed they were worth before being indicted for tax fraud.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Hang on - I thought this was all a 'Democratic' Witch-Hunt? Liz Cheney is a republican - but he's going after her now....

Trump calls for Liz Cheney to be jailed for investigating him over Capitol attack

Former president’s posts on Truth Social about Republican critic stoke fears of persecution of opponents if he wins 2024 election

www.theguardian.com

He'll go after anyone who dares to question, criticise or sometimes merely comment on him, regardless of their political persuasion. The funny thing is that a lot of the people on the receiving end of his ramblings seem to almost thrive on it and will then come out and say they'll support him (Haley, Cruz and Graham, to name just three!)

I've said it before and I'll no doubt say it many many times – he really is an extremely funny (odd/strange) bloke.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

‘Dog whistles are a calculated tactic used to manipulate and stoke prejudice in others. Dog whistles are often deployed with the aim to spread and amplify racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, aporophobia, or other antagonistic attitudes towards marginalised groups. Plausible deniability and reliance on “outgroups” not understanding the coded message aimed at the “ingroup” are key components for all dog whistles’

I can’t be bothered to reference the meaning above which is in the context I was using it.

Dog whistles are a conspiracy theory, a made up smear of political opponents. Shoe me someone confessing to using one aka a whistle blower.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Dog whistles are a conspiracy theory, a made up smear of political opponents. Shoe me someone confessing to using one aka a whistle blower.

You are barking mad.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Did you miss my earlier response to you on this point?

’The Dems’ are not ‘going after‘ Trump, the Department of Justice is -

For you to keep saying these indictments are being brought by the Democrats is giving weight to the lies Trump wants his supporters to believe - that he is the ’victim of a witch hunt’ and he is only being indicted because he is running for President - this is absolute nonsense. He has been indicted by the DoJ for a number of crimes because their investigations have concluded that there is enough evidence to do so and the investigations began long before he ever announced he would run again.

These are not a political indictments (as when he was twice impeached) but legal ones and he has already been found guilty on a number of charges by Republican appointed judges as well as Democrat ones. Grand juries consist of members of the public selected by the defence and prosecutors - they are certainly NOT all Democrat supporters..


As for timing, these Grand jury investigations started way back in 2020 some dating back to even before he became President - and they invariably do take years, some including the Stormy Daniels case, in which the Grand Jury convened in 2021 stem back to 2016. Trump did not enter the Presidential race until November 2022 after these investigations began.

Your point about ‘leaving it until 2025’ assumes Biden will win - the DiJ don’t make that kind of political decision about when to indict someone.

Leaving it until 2025 would be exactly what Trump wants and is trying for hence all the appeals - It is much harder to criminally indict a sitting President, it has not been done before, and the Constitution is not clear on the issue of immunity for sitting Presidents, who btw is immune from civil litigation anyway. Trump would probably have to be politically indicted by the House again and convicted by the Senate before it was referred to the DoJ - which isn’t going to happen if either candidate won a second term as there will very unlikely be a large enough majority in the Senate for either Party to convict him and remove him from power. This is one of the reasons that several criminal cases were not filed until 2020 after Trump was no longer President ( and it was probably one of the reasons he fought so hard to contest and legally challenge the results of the 2020 election ie to fend off Grand Juries knocking on the door as soon as he was no longer President).

As it is, these trials will continue and the DoJ will have to keep fighting against Trump’s deliberate delays to take them over the line.

Also, whatever your opinion of Trump, an American Presidency that ties a President up in criminal trials and litigation for his entire term would not be at all good for the Country.

Where have I said it's a witch hunt? He deserves everything that will come to him if he's finally nailed.

My point was it was dumb to do it now and reignite his campaign in the way it has done.

Trump ‘is in trouble’, says insider after DeSantis surges in 2024 polls | US elections 2024 | The Guardian

Florida governor takes enormous lead over embattled ex-president for 2024 race as Mike Pence nears a run of his own

amp.theguardian.com

Each and every case that is brought forward increases the likelihood of him being sworn in again.

There are civil cases being brought as well as federal cases, there was absolutely a political game going on and it's backfired.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

He is a pretty crap troll. Trolls shouldn't put detractors on ignore. They should target them and wind them up.

I'm beginning to think he may be a bit . . . .you know?

thick

Charming, we've not agreed on certain things before, but not sure I've resorted to name calling?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

A point I have tried to make several times now in response to KG but he doesn‘t see it or perhaps prefers not to because it does not support the narrative that Trump is maintaining about it being the Dems that are targeting him with these indictments and allegation of the crimes he’s committed have no foundation in truth but are all lies and just a political witch-hunt.

Or I've been at work all day with only a chance to have a brief glimpse on here?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Charming, we've not agreed on certain things before, but not sure I've resorted to name calling?

Not you, FFS! We agree mostly.

Dingo. Dingo. Begone go!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Not you, FFS! We agree mostly.

Dingo. Dingo. Begone go!

Phew.

I was in tears