[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Zeberdi]

Who comes across as a grandee Statesman with presidential authority and who comes across as a washed out stand up comedian still trying to earn a few bucks in a run down community theatre?

Biden says Trump 'willing to sacrifice democracy' - as Supreme Court to rule on eligibility

Donald Trump is promising "revenge and retribution" and his re-election campaign has already glorified the riots, says President Joe Biden.

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Donald Trump says what President Biden has done to America is 'unthinkable' in Iowa rally

Trump has recently appealed against a decision from Maine's top election official which has disqualified him from the state's Republican presidential primary ballot, due to his role in the Capital Riot on January 6 2021.

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[Crawley Dingo]

Who comes across as a grandee Statesman with presidential authority and who comes across as a washed out stand up comedian still trying to earn a few bucks in a run down community theatre?

Biden says Trump 'willing to sacrifice democracy' - as Supreme Court to rule on eligibility

Donald Trump is promising "revenge and retribution" and his re-election campaign has already glorified the riots, says President Joe Biden.

news.sky.com

Donald Trump says what President Biden has done to America is 'unthinkable' in Iowa rally

Trump has recently appealed against a decision from Maine's top election official which has disqualified him from the state's Republican presidential primary ballot, due to his role in the Capital Riot on January 6 2021.

news.sky.com

What principles are you drawing on when you post that? Kicking people of ballots is anti-democratic, as is censorship and also importing voters.
Your post comes across as deranged.

 

[Curious Orange]

What principles are you drawing on when you post that? Kicking people of ballots is anti-democratic, as is censorship and also importing voters.
Your post comes across as deranged.

It is an interesting proposition that kicking people off ballots is undemocratic, is that always true though? Would there be any circumstances you could think of that would be disqualifying in your view?

 

[Zeberdi]

What principles are you drawing on when you post that? Kicking people of ballots is anti-democratic, as is censorship and also importing voters.

Statesmanship “traditionally includes the four cardinal virtues identified by Aristotle: prudence, justice, courage, and temperance. In addition, magnanimity — the capacity for forbearance and generosity, especially toward one's opponents within the polity.”

Doesn’t really describe Trump does it?

A Time for Statesmanship

Americans now rarely speak of statesmanship. The term seems quaint and naïve. But the reverence many of us have for American statesmen of the past suggests we still crave it. Recovering the possibility of statesmanship today would require us to ...

www.nationalaffairs.com

He’ll be the biggest risk to global security if he gets elected - I hope the Democrats do everything they can to keep him off the ballot - any decent minded Republican would too if it weren’t for their being so ready to sacrifice common decency and the founding principles of the Constitution to their self-serving, gun-toting, racial form of politicking.

 

[Albion my Albion]

It is an interesting proposition that kicking people off ballots is undemocratic, is that always true though? Would there be any circumstances you could think of that would be disqualifying in your view?

In the Republicans view the only thing that disqualifies you from the ballot is being a Democrat.

If Trump was a Democrat and acting like he has after losing an election and claiming falsely that he actually won it the Republicans would be just as adamant as the Democrats are that Trump be kept off the ballot. You know they would. It's just that the Democrats would not support a guy acting like Trump and the Republicans wouldn't have to try and keep a Democrat Trump off the ballot.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Statesmanship “traditionally includes the four cardinal virtues identified by Aristotle: prudence, justice, courage, and temperance. In addition, magnanimity — the capacity for forbearance and generosity, especially toward one's opponents within the polity.”

Doesn’t really describe Trump does it?

A Time for Statesmanship

Americans now rarely speak of statesmanship. The term seems quaint and naïve. But the reverence many of us have for American statesmen of the past suggests we still crave it. Recovering the possibility of statesmanship today would require us to ...

www.nationalaffairs.com

He’ll be the biggest risk to global security if he gets elected - I hope the Democrats do everything they can to keep him off the ballot - any decent minded Republican would too if it weren’t for their being so ready to sacrifice common decency and the founding principles of the Constitution to their self-serving, gun-toting, racial form of politicking.

You would have lost him at 'cardinal'. He's probably planning a diatribe against the pope, now.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

It is an interesting proposition that kicking people off ballots is undemocratic, is that always true though? Would there be any circumstances you could think of that would be disqualifying in your view?

No. Voting is about their opinions, on what they want to do if elected. Its not a personality contest or a beauty contest. Its on those that they should be judged.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

In the Republicans view the only thing that disqualifies you from the ballot is being a Democrat.

If Trump was a Democrat and acting like he has after losing an election and claiming falsely that he actually won it the Republicans would be just as adamant as the Democrats are that Trump be kept off the ballot. You know they would. It's just that the Democrats would not support a guy acting like Trump and the Republicans wouldn't have to try and keep a Democrat Trump off the ballot.

So much wrong with this post, its the democrats that have long form for kicking people of ballots or rigging them.

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged? They rigged the Muller enquiry to try to turf him out(at the very least) so theres recent form for this sort of behaviour, given the mass mail-in voting due to Covid and Pennsylvania allowing 3 days after the election to count Mail in votes it does look very dodgy.

 

[BadFish]

So much wrong with this post, its the democrats that have long form for kicking people of ballots or rigging them.

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged? They rigged the Muller enquiry to try to turf him out(at the very least) so theres recent form for this sort of behaviour, given the mass mail-in voting due to Covid and Pennsylvania allowing 3 days after the election to count Mail in votes it does look very dodgy.

There are a lot of big claims in this post with no evidence to back then up.

 

[Hugo Rune]

There are a lot of big claims in this post with no evidence to back then up.

Some people don’t need evidence to form ‘an opinion’. In fact, the vast majority of those voting for Trump would fall into that category.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

He’ll be the biggest risk to global security if he gets elected - I hope the Democrats do everything they can to keep him off the ballot - any decent minded Republican would too if it weren’t for their being so ready to sacrifice common decency and the founding principles of the Constitution to their self-serving, gun-toting, racial form of politicking.

Risk to Global security? Hes the only president who didn't start a war in a long time, got peace going in the middle East with the Abraham Acords. Were as Joe has Ukraine, Israel and the Afghanistan pull out debacle.

Ignoring the Kafka trap, its the Left that are racial politicking, White Supremacy/Priv etc.

Facts are not agreeing with your claims.

 

[Bodian]

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged?

Haven't various court cases proven that it wasn't?

 

[A1X]

So much wrong with this post, its the democrats that have long form for kicking people of ballots or rigging them.

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged? They rigged the Muller enquiry to try to turf him out(at the very least) so theres recent form for this sort of behaviour, given the mass mail-in voting due to Covid and Pennsylvania allowing 3 days after the election to count Mail in votes it does look very dodgy.

 

[Triggaaar]

More importantly who are you to say the election wasn't rigged?

The Republican president claimed it was rigged in the favour of the Democrats, in states run by Replublicans! He also asked Republicans in those states to rig it for him. But don't you worry about minor details like that.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Haven't various court cases proven that it wasn't?

No. Court cases deal with legal validity. I'll try an example, if I said to you the crawley election was rigged and you said I will go and sneak in to check the ballots then in courts with Democrat Judges that is would be seen as Conspiracy to subvert the democratic process. It says nothing of wether the ballot was rigged.

Al Gore questioned the election as did DNC Congressmen after Bush was re-elected and after Trump was elected. This is just selectivly applying the law. Ted Cruz said he would Validate the ballot in 2020 in the Congress would agree an independent investigation. Apparently that makes him an insurrectionist worthy of being kicked of the ballot.


Looks like republicans are picking up the habit as well with booting people of ballots, its all wrong.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

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Conspiracy theories should be questioned. The question should be are there any Whistle blowers? After the election in Time Magazine their was an admission the election was "fortified".

The dominion voting machines conspiracy theory lacks any whistle blowers so is probably bunk, the Jan 6th Insurrection also lacks whistle blowers and is also bunk.

But nice try though.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

The Republican president claimed it was rigged in the favour of the Democrats, in states run by Replublicans! He also asked Republicans in those states to rig it for him. But don't you worry about minor details like that.

The rigging it is a debunked conspiracy theory, he was asking about missing ballot papers. Those states have mixed leadership both which has no connection to ballot rigging unless you are suggesting that Governors, and State Governments are involved.

 

[Curious Orange]

No. Voting is about their opinions, on what they want to do if elected. Its not a personality contest or a beauty contest. Its on those that they should be judged.

So, in an ideal world everyone votes rationally and that means they'd be safe to vote rationally again the next time.

What if people vote irrationally though? Say they are persuaded to vote for someone who is known to only be running for their own self-interest, and has previous form for lying about election results, and this results in a broken democracy when they win?

Is it okay to break democracy in order that anyone can run?

 

[Zeberdi]

Risk to Global security? Hes the only president who didn't start a war in a long time, got peace going in the middle East with the Abraham Acords. Were as Joe has Ukraine, Israel and the Afghanistan pull out debacle.

Ignoring the Kafka trap, its the Left that are racial politicking, White Supremacy/Priv etc.

Facts are not agreeing with your claims.

Sorry long post but on global security, neither Biden nor Trump have done well in many of these ares but Trump is not the Ambassador for peace you think he is. His bellicosity and antagonistic attitude to anyone that doesn’t support his political agenda will be a risk to all if he gets elected for another term:

Fact

• Trump took the US out of the Iran Nuclear Deal - antagonised Iran with crippling sanctions instead, created instability in the West and Israel’s sense of security by removing the mechanisms for inspection.
• Trump further escalated tensions caused by imposing sanctions on Iran by assassinating top Iranian General, Qasem Soleimani
• Trump gambled with threatening the world’s worst nuclear armed dictator with nuclear annihilation because of his own vanity - in doing so, he enabled a closer partnership between NK and China.
• Trump undermined NATO for years before signalling to Putin that the US would ignore Article 5 which calls for NATO to come to the support of any member who was under attack.
• Trump repeatedly cosied up to Putin and undermined Ukraine - using Presidential powers to solicit foreign electoral intervention for his 2020 election bid and calling Putins invasion of Ukraine as ‘savvy’ and ‘genius’.
• Trump has repeatedly dog whistled to extremist armed militia in the States
• Trump’s Peace Plan cosied up to the most extreme right wing leader in Israeli history by agreeing a Plan that would hand over 30% of illegally occupied territory in the West Bank to Netanyahu, transfer the American Embassy to Jerusalem- deny Palestinians the right to their own State - thereby further inflaming resistance, and undermining efforts of Arab States to normalise relations with Israel.
• Trump pulled out of the Paris Agreement on the Climate - increasing likelihood of future insecurity both at a national and international level. https://www.unep.org/topics/fresh-water/disasters-and-climate-change/environment-security/climate-change-and-security#:~:text=In recent years, the linkages,local levels, or even internationally.

As for Afghanistan - it has been passed down from Presidency to Presidency

“The Doha agreement, which President Donald Trump had signed with the Taliban in early 2020 (with no participation by the Afghan government), required a total withdrawal of foreign forces. If U.S. troops had stayed beyond August, Milley said, the Taliban would have resumed the fighting, and, in order to stave off the attacks, “we would have needed 30,000 troops” and would have suffered “many casualties.”. Trump ordered that rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan against all military advice signing an order after his election loss in 2020 because he refused to accept he had lost the election - Biden then had to choose between complete withdrawal or risking the remaining personel on the ground.

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[Triggaaar]

The rigging it is a debunked conspiracy theory

The rigging that you're claiming happened - yes.

he was asking about missing ballot papers

Trump? No. He asked governors to find more votes.

I guess you'll also claim that Trump didn't encourage people to take capital hill in his last ditch attempt to disrupt democracy.

But you're not all there and there's no point explaining things to you that have been explained many many times before. Bye