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That's how you deal with racism at a match



TWOCHOICEStom

Well-known member
Sep 22, 2007
10,908
Brighton
I think there should be a requirement for microphones to be at every match where problems have been reported in the past. If a player hears ANYTHING at all, they should report it (which they don't right now) and it should be reviewed post-match.

MASSIVE fines/punishments should be handed out. If the media highlight the worst offenders and fines start being handed out, it will become self policing and hopefully attitudes will change.

When it's clearly heard for much of the game, the players should walk.
 




The Spanish

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2008
6,478
P
I think there should be a requirement for microphones to be at every match where problems have been reported in the past. If a player hears ANYTHING at all, they should report it (which they don't right now) and it should be reviewed post-match.

MASSIVE fines/punishments should be handed out. If the media highlight the worst offenders and fines start being handed out, it will become self policing and hopefully attitudes will change.

When it's clearly heard for much of the game, the players should walk.

where are you going to place these microphones?

the media highlight the worst offenders - you would like to entrust policing or the assisting in this policing, to the people who are behind a hell of a lot of the current hysteria that sells their products?

if its clearly heard for what proportion of the game should they walk?

honourable sentiments mate but not sensible solutions.
 


TWOCHOICEStom

Well-known member
Sep 22, 2007
10,908
Brighton
where are you going to place these microphones?

the media highlight the worst offenders - you would like to entrust policing or the assisting in this policing, to the people who are behind a hell of the current hysteria that sells their products?

if its clearly heard for what proportion of the game should they walk?

honourable sentiments mate but not sensible solutions.

I think the point is that the clubs need to be put under the microscope. If they're caught, they should be monitored (strictly) for a fair period of time. If it doesn't improve, throw the book at them.
 


The Spanish

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2008
6,478
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I think the point is that the clubs need to be put under the microscope. If they're caught, they should be monitored (strictly) for a fair period of time. If it doesn't improve, throw the book at them.

you are now being more opaque. who will be looking down this microsope? How will they be monitored? what size is this book?
 






The Spanish

Well-known member
Aug 12, 2008
6,478
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This is the problem. It's so bloody complex and UEFA use that as an excuse to do nothing about it.

I am really not having a pop mate you are right - its complex and most of the responses seem simplistic to say the least, as this is a subject that is not the most open when it comes to debate - its a real if you're not with us you're against us job.
 




Doc Lynam

I hate the Daily Mail
Jun 19, 2011
7,346
Serie A - Berlusconi: Milan could walk off again - Yahoo! Eurosport UK

Serie A - Berlusconi: Milan could walk off again
Racist chanting that led AC Milan players to walk off the pitch during a friendly match provoked howls of outrage in Italy on Friday, while club owner Silvio Berlusconi vowed his team would abandon all matches where they suffer similar abuse.

"I guarantee that in all matches, including international ones, where incidents of this type occur Milan will leave the field," the former Prime Minister said.
Milan's Ghanaian striker Kevin-Prince Boateng kicked the ball into the stands, removed his shirt and led his team mates off the pitch 26 minutes into the match on Thursday after monkey chants and jeers from fans of lower division team Pro Patria directed at him, Urby Emanuelson and Sulley Muntari.
The incident revived debate in Italy about whether authorities are doing enough to combat a deep-seated problem.
The mayor of Busto Arsizio, the northern hometown of Pro Patria where the incident occurred, said his administration would sue the fans responsible for the chanting. Local police say they are questioning fans to identify the culprits.
"We have begun a civil claim against the imbecile thugs that have stained the city," mayor Gigi Farioli told Sky Italia television.
"Tomorrow an education drive will be launched, with concrete measures against racism in and out of the stadium," he said, adding that AC Milan and the players involved had been invited to participate. But he said Boateng was "unprofessional" to kick the ball at chanting fans.
Boateng's action was widely applauded, however, and prompted renewed criticism of authorities for not taking stronger action to wipe out the racist insults that are commonplace at Italian grounds.
"Finally, thanks to Boateng, there has been an adequate response to the demented people that chant racist choruses in the stadiums," wrote Pierluigi Battista in an editorial in the respected Corriere della Sera daily.
He called for games to be suspended and points deducted from the team of the offending fans even in Serie A matches as soon as there was racist chanting.
Berlusconi, who is currently running for election, said he admired the team's response to "a disgraceful episode of racism", and said he had telephoned Boateng to congratulate him.
"Now is the time for the football authorities to stand up and do something. We need to see real actions that will have a genuine influence," former AC and Inter Milan player Patrick Vieira said on Twitter.
Italian football federation (FIGC) president Giancarlo Abete said he had asked for a meeting with Italy's police chief Antonio Manganelli to discuss closer cooperation and a police presence in stadiums following the incident.
He said authorities "could order the referee to suspend the match" in certain situations.
Late last year 10 fans of London side Tottenham Hotspur, which has a large contingent of Jewish supporters, were injured, one of them gravely, when dozens of anti-semitic "ultras" stormed a central Rome bar in a well-planned attack.
Pro Patria has been fined 15,000 euros over the last year for racist chants, Italian press reported.
Manchester City and Belgian national player Vincent Kompany was one of thousands to express their support of Boateng's action on Twitter.
"Act of racism against Boateng during Milan's friendly. How about becoming extremely intolerant towards racist idiots? They need to be told," the defender wrote.
Troubled Manchester City player Mario Balotelli, himself the repeated target of racist chants before he abandoned Italy to go and play in England, praised Boateng's "brilliant work" on Twitter.
The Italian striker, who has endured monkey chants and bananas thrown onto the pitch, last year threatened to walk out of the Euro championships if he heard any racial slurs.
But the Pro Patria chairman, Roberto Centenaro, suggested tackling the problem would be difficult.
"You certainly cannot change the mentality of people who have come to the stadium for 30 years and have these ideas. Clearly we must start with the young," he said.
Boateng has insisted he will walk off the pitch again if he is racially abused - even if it is in the Champions League - and criticised FIFA for not doing more to tackle the issue.
Boateng told CNN: "I don't care what game it is - a friendly, Serie A or Champions League match, I'd walk off the pitch again and I think everyone would support me."
He added: "I saw massive support from England and massive players like Rio Ferdinand and Patrick Vieira, and I want to say thank you. I'm sad and angry that I'm the one that has to take action."
 




Phat Baz 68

Get a ****ing life mate !
Apr 16, 2011
5,026
Agreed !!!
Plus banning teams such as Italy, Serbia etc etc from the Euros and the World Cup and any friendlies they have to be played behind closed doors or simply ban ANY of their fans attending these matches.
until their foul and depraved fans learn that it wont be tolerated from ANY country in ANY shape or form !!
So what do these idiots do when Mario Ballotelli scores for Italy ??? Make monkey noises and throw Bananas at him ??? No course they don't !!
WANKERS THE LOT OF EM !!
 


Davemania

Well-known member
Jul 11, 2011
1,752
Uckfield
Is it the right thing to do though?

What about the majority of the crowd, who travelled and paid good money to watch a game of football, only for a small minority to ruin it?

Yeah too right, can we stop this hysterical insanity now? Some people are uneducated, make an ill informed decision in the space of a few seconds, in the heat of the moment yet these people are getting banned for LIFE, from the club they love and have always followed. Absolute insanity, the pc brigade cant get enough, completely losing it in their hysterical puritanic drive to eradicate all forms of any expression. Yes that person has made a mistake, was distasteful for a moment. Ban them for a while, they learn a lesson. People have lost all perspective and understanding of human nature and social understanding
 


Davemania

Well-known member
Jul 11, 2011
1,752
Uckfield
I'm sorry, but we're in 2013 and nothing else has worked up to now in Italy? Yes, it's not great for the rest of the crowd, but then you could say neither was the snapping of the Goldstone crossbars in 1996, but it puts the spotlight on these imbeciles more than staying on the pitch and playing on, which apparently achieves nothing.

Get a life.
 




Tyrone Biggums

Well-known member
Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
So if a red headed player is abused do they have the right to walk off the pitch and stop the game?

In the vilified persons mind and heart the red head could feel exactly the same kind of emotions as the black player when being abused about their physical appearance.
 


Davemania

Well-known member
Jul 11, 2011
1,752
Uckfield
Is it the right thing to do though?

What about the majority of the crowd, who travelled and paid good money to watch a game of football, only for a small minority to ruin it?

Yeah too right, can we stop this hysterical insanity now? Some people are uneducated, make an ill informed decision in the space of a few seconds, in the heat of the moment yet these people are getting banned for LIFE, from the club they love and have always followed. Absolute insanity, the pc brigade cant get enough, completely losing it in their hysterical puritanic drive to eradicate all forms of any expression. Yes that person has made a mistake, was distasteful for a moment. Ban them for a while, they learn a lesson. People have lost all perspective and understanding of human nature and social understanding
 


Frutos

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NSC Patron
May 3, 2006
36,294
Northumberland
Yeah too right, can we stop this hysterical insanity now? Some people are uneducated, make an ill informed decision in the space of a few seconds, in the heat of the moment yet these people are getting banned for LIFE, from the club they love and have always followed. Absolute insanity, the pc brigade cant get enough, completely losing it in their hysterical puritanic drive to eradicate all forms of any expression. Yes that person has made a mistake, was distasteful for a moment. Ban them for a while, they learn a lesson. People have lost all perspective and understanding of human nature and social understanding

Just out of interest, are you a racist?
 






W.C.

New member
Oct 31, 2011
4,927
So if a red headed player is abused do they have the right to walk off the pitch and stop the game?

terrible problems with this in the world of football today
 




Doc Lynam

I hate the Daily Mail
Jun 19, 2011
7,346
So if a red headed player is abused do they have the right to walk off the pitch and stop the game?

In the vilified persons mind and heart the red head could feel exactly the same kind of emotions as the black player when being abused about their physical appearance.

Unfortunately it still seem except able for some to target red headed players with abuse and hatred simply because of their colour.
 




tgretton87

Shoreham Beach Seagull#2
Jul 30, 2011
691
Be careful what you wish for.Racism has no place in football but walking off the pitch! I would be pissed off if I had gone all the way to say Newcastle away for the match to be abandoned after 24 minutes because the players walked off.

It was a small section of Pro Patria fans the police/stewards should have got there mugshots and all should have been arrested after the game. The rest of the fans who were innocent would have paid good money getting to the ground there will be no refunds for that.
 


Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
20,721
Eastbourne
Be careful what you wish for.Racism has no place in football but walking off the pitch! I would be pissed off if I had gone all the way to say Newcastle away for the match to be abandoned after 24 minutes because the players walked off.

It was a small section of Pro Patria fans the police/stewards should have got there mugshots and all should have been arrested after the game. The rest of the fans who were innocent would have paid good money getting to the ground there will be no refunds for that.

I agree andwhat's to stop a group of opposing fans purposely going into a rivals end and racially abusing players in order to get their rivals club into trouble?
 


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