[Politics] Sweden - politics

[Weststander]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION], what’s your view on all this?

105 years of governments involving the Social Democratic Workers Party, have come to an end.




We got a personal insight into seminal changes when staying with friends in central Sweden a while back. The (non-right wing) parents mentioned growing anger in the smaller towns and cities about immigrants being thrust on their unprepared communities. Our kids Swedish mates reported blatant racism by their classmates.

 

[zefarelly]

The futures dark.

 

[willalbion]

The futures dark.

Right wing populism sweeps the world - very dark indeed.

 

[LamieRobertson]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION], what’s your view on all this?

105 years of governments involving the Social Democratic Workers Party, have come to an end.

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We got a personal insight into seminal changes when staying with friends in central Sweden a while back. The (non-right wing) parents mentioned growing anger in the smaller towns and cities about immigrants being thrust on their unprepared communities. Our kids Swedish mates reported blatant racism by their classmates.

The gang warfare resulting in a number of killings this year also seems to the forefront

 

[Weststander]

The gang warfare resulting in a number of killings this year also seems to the forefront

That’s the case, came across an excellent BBC piece a week ago with their Swedish correspondent discussing that. The police say it’s longstanding Swedish crimes gangs and an influx of European drug gangs.

 

[Beach Hut]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION], what’s your view on all this?

Far to busy mourning the latest Potter disaster

 

[zefarelly]

Far to busy touring the latest Potter disaster

Still working his way through EC&Attractions back catalogue.

Could be stuck on, Moods for moderns, or perhaps no action? Or two little hitlers?

 

[A1X]

Odds on this new lot being one of the parties funded by Russia according to US intelligence?

 

[Weststander]

Far to busy mouring the latest Potter disaster

I’m hoping for a post spliff reply, man.

 

[Justice]

My moneys on him defending his one true love in the Shed End tonight.

 

[BN41Albion]

That’s the case, came across an excellent BBC piece a week ago with their Swedish correspondent discussing that. The police say it’s longstanding Swedish crimes gangs and an influx of European drug gangs.

Do you have a link to that?

Edit: think I've found it - 'Sweden election: Gang shootings cast shadow over vote'

 

[Beach Hut]

I’m hoping for a post spliff reply, man.

It will be full of the same old shit

 

[portlock seagull]

Like anywhere, including the countries immigrants are from, if you change too much too soon and threaten centuries of established culture, local or National, then unsurprisingly ‘locals’ will reject it. During wartime, it’s called invasion. During peacetime it’s called multi-culturalism. You’d have to be simple not to expect problems when millions of people are uprooted and plonked in the middle of another’s society. At the end of the ww2, millions of Germans from Kalingrad and E.Prussia were evicted and it caused huge cultural problems in Bavaria, Saxony, Westphalia etc who resented them despite technically being fellow Germans. Culturally though they were miles apart and very much seen as outsiders.

 

[Weststander]

Do you have a link to that?

Edit: think I've found it - 'Sweden election: Gang shootings cast shadow over vote'

You may also find this interesting from 12:30.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001bvp8/unspun-world-with-john-simpson-series-1-07092022
Need to login in for free to a bbc account / iplayer.

 

[BN41Albion]

You may also find this interesting from 12:30.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001bvp8/unspun-world-with-john-simpson-series-1-07092022
Need to login in for free to a bbc account / iplayer.

Great, thanks, will watch that tomorrow!

 

[Weststander]

It will be full of the same old shit

Moroccan shit?


[Sorry Swansman only joking, I do like lots of your posts].

 

[Swansman]

Well, the Social Democratic Party didn't rule for 105 years so that's incorrect, there's been a few right-wing for short periods since the 70s.

The development is expected and planned. I understood it back when the Sweden Democrats only had a percent or two but the media kept talking about them despite normally ignoring small parties outside the parliament (you need to get at least 4% to be in the parliament), essentially telling all the right-wing nuts to go vote for them.

Over and over the media wrote about how hideous the Sweden Democrats were and that Sweden is like it always has... well aware that things have changed. One media company got all the power here, and they've played it all in the Sweden Democrats hands: media told us one "truth", which everyone know is a lie, and pretty much forced people to "go against" the establishment because of its rubbishness.

All a trap of course. Sweden got the strongest workers rights in the world, one of the strongest welfare systems and generally has been a well-organized and rich country. Our oligarchs, the Wallenbergs, don't want this. But if the Social Democrats would start to demolish those things (more than they already have) it would look strange and people go to the political left. By creating chaos and introducing the Sweden Democrats as "the solution" there is more room to remove our rights and our traditional fairness without anyone even blinking - as long as the immigrants goes, any price is worth paying.

Immigration has been the only political question in Sweden for about 15 years. When things go to shit, people don't know why - all they've ever heard about is "more immigrants, less immigrants or no immigrants". The only solution people can think of is to get rid of the immigrants.

Of course, I know the immigrants are not the problem. Yes, there's a lot of gang violence - where no Swedes live, and it is entirely possible to make the argument that there's been too much immigration. When the population grows with 10% over 10ish years and all of the increase is due to immigration, problems arise. But the main issue in this country is a) privatisation over the last twenty years which has really made the economical life here more difficult and b) the rise of the digital society in one of the most introverted countries in the world.

The latter problem is completely overlooked. People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this; they want easy solutions, preferably ones where we don't have to improve ourselves. This in combination with the eternal talking about whether immigration is the best or the worst thing in the world has led many to believe that they would be a lot happier if there was less immigrants around. They're wrong, but it's not easy to get them to understand it.

Only thirty years ago, members of the Sweden Democrats were not afraid to call themselves nazis. And now they're the biggest party in a right-wing coalition led by the Moderates and their leader Ulf Kristiansson, who has said that he is willing to collaborate with Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats leader) in all questions. Horrible times.
The Swedish people don't understand what they've done.

 

[Weststander]

Well, the Social Democratic Party didn't rule for 105 years so that's incorrect, there's been a few right-wing for short periods since the 70s.

The development is expected and planned. I understood it back when the Sweden Democrats only had a percent or two but the media kept talking about them despite normally ignoring small parties outside the parliament (you need to get at least 4% to be in the parliament), essentially telling all the right-wing nuts to go vote for them.

Over and over the media wrote about how hideous the Sweden Democrats were and that Sweden is like it always has... well aware that things have changed. One media company got all the power here, and they've played it all in the Sweden Democrats hands: media told us one "truth", which everyone know is a lie, and pretty much forced people to "go against" the establishment because of its rubbishness.

All a trap of course. Sweden got the strongest workers rights in the world, one of the strongest welfare systems and generally has been a well-organized and rich country. Our oligarchs, the Wallenbergs, don't want this. But if the Social Democrats would start to demolish those things (more than they already have) it would look strange and people go to the political left. By creating chaos and introducing the Sweden Democrats as "the solution" there is more room to remove our rights and our traditional fairness without anyone even blinking - as long as the immigrants goes, any price is worth paying.

Immigration has been the only political question in Sweden for about 15 years. When things go to shit, people don't know why - all they've ever heard about is "more immigrants, less immigrants or no immigrants". The only solution people can think of is to get rid of the immigrants.

Of course, I know the immigrants are not the problem. Yes, there's a lot of gang violence - where no Swedes live, and it is entirely possible to make the argument that there's been too much immigration. When the population grows with 10% over 10ish years and all of the increase is due to immigration, problems arise. But the main issue in this country is a) privatisation over the last twenty years which has really made the economical life here more difficult and b) the rise of the digital society in one of the most introverted countries in the world.

The latter problem is completely overlooked. People don't have sex here, they dont party, they barely have friends, we have the highest percentage of single-person households in the world because we've finally got access to technique that allows us to function and be entertained without actually meeting people other than at work or school. This is what makes us deeply unhappy and worried, but it is too complex for the average person to understand this; they want easy solutions, preferably ones where we don't have to improve ourselves. This in combination with the eternal talking about whether immigration is the best or the worst thing in the world has led many to believe that they would be a lot happier if there was less immigrants around. They're wrong, but it's not easy to get them to understand it.

Only thirty years ago, members of the Sweden Democrats were not afraid to call themselves nazis. And now they're the biggest party in a right-wing coalition led by the Moderates and their leader Ulf Kristiansson, who has said that he is willing to collaborate with Jimmie Åkesson (Sweden Democrats leader) in all questions. Horrible times.
The Swedish people don't understand what they've done.

Thank you.

And a far wider societal insight than brickbat politicians and commentators ever care to think about.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Basically everything Swanny just said.

 

[TugWilson]

The Swedish people are intelligent strong brave and incredibly resilient , they bomb Russian subs , they don`t take shit - they will sort it and be fine .