He could have done, if both sides agreed to cancel the contract. The club sacked him and still did not get any money, so what's the difference. I would have to take your word for us being ill-prepared for the second leg, as the club have not said that officially Gus was responsible for us not being prepared. Who told you? Again the club or Gus have not said what he did that led to him being sacked for Gross misconduct. Two sides to a story and no doubt the court will eventually settle who was right or wrong in this. It's all conjecture at the moment.
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He could have done, if both sides agreed to cancel the contract. The club sacked him and still did not get any money, so what's the difference. I would have to take your word for us being ill-prepared for the second leg, as the club have not said that officially Gus was responsible for us not being prepared. Who told you? Again the club or Gus have not said what he did that led to him being sacked for Gross misconduct. Two sides to a story and no doubt the court will eventually settle who was right or wrong in this. It's all conjecture at the moment.
So has he SINGED yet or is it only IMMINENT?
As you say, they would have looked over the documents WITH Gus. "Gus, it says here, you are guiilty of xxxxxxxxx". "No, that is wrong. I didn't do that".
LMA statement: "Our member has no case to answer"
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
That's vastly over simplified imo. The LMA have won previous cases.
I think Martin Samuel was probably close to the truth. (Purely speculation, but I don't think this makes any one look bad to the point it is libellous)
I think Gus did ask to leave (perhaps because in an effort by the club to save money many of his responsibilities were taken away given to others and he was unhappy with that, as much as any budget concerns), but changed his mind (perhaps a possible job disappeared, or he had a change of heart). By which time the club had already set in motion the hunt for a new manager.
I think the club found they had a potential new manager who would be happier in the new set up and will (hopefully) provide the same success or greater.
At this point they had the choice of waiting for the first vacancy in the premier league at which point gus would want off again, while we're in the middle of a championship effort causing disruption and the alternate may have been snapped up by someone else; or alternatively they could get rid of gus at the end of the season and get the new guy while he's available. The "gross misconduct" thing was just the cheapest option they saw. I also think they dragged out the investigation hoping someone else might come in for him, but the investigation combined with the price tag was more of a deterrent.
I think Gus did ask to leave (perhaps because in an effort by the club to save money many of his responsibilities were taken away given to others and he was unhappy with that, as much as any budget concerns), but changed his mind (perhaps a possible job disappeared, or he had a change of heart). By which time the club had already set in motion the hunt for a new manager.
I think the club found they had a potential new manager who would be happier in the new set up and will (hopefully) provide the same success or greater.
At this point they had the choice of waiting for the first vacancy in the premier league at which point gus would want off again, while we're in the middle of a championship effort causing disruption and the alternate may have been snapped up by someone else; or alternatively they could get rid of gus at the end of the season and get the new guy while he's available. The "gross misconduct" thing was just the cheapest option they saw. I also think they dragged out the investigation hoping someone else might come in for him, but the investigation combined with the price tag was more of a deterrent.
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The LMA statement wasn't that he didn't do it, but that they didn't feel it amounted to gross misconduct.
“We have supported Gus throughout the disciplinary process and will continue to do so as required. We do not consider that the charges against him amounted to gross misconduct. Gus will now reflect on the outcome and discuss options with the legal team. It would, therefore, not be appropriate to make any further comment at this time”.
(emphasis mine)Not that he had no case to answer or that he didn't do anything, but what the club are charging him with doesn't amount to gross misconduct.
http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-7235.html
This is the most sensible post and properly as near to the truth as we are going to get for a few years.
symyjym
Banned
Agree, the club were between a rock and a hard place.
Urchin
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Correct. I don't know what happened January to March.
BensGrandad
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Bright FM just said his appointment is expected within the next 24 hours.
SULLY COULDNT SHOOT
Loyal2Family+Albion!
Judging by all the raking up old coals again he still hant been confirmed as Sunderland boss.
Same sound..... same voices....same names..... this seems to have had more attention than watergate and still not one single person has changed their mind since June.
I really dont care anymore and I really wonder that anyone feels the need to keep talking about it.
Same sound..... same voices....same names..... this seems to have had more attention than watergate and still not one single person has changed their mind since June.
I really dont care anymore and I really wonder that anyone feels the need to keep talking about it.
Urchin
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People on this thread want to talk about it. If you don't, don't look and don't post. Very very simple.
Quite. No one knows what happened during around this time to change Gus INEXPLICABLY from someone who loved their job to someone who couldn't care less about it. Without this knowledge, the what followed is impossible to judge, without knowing the context from which it was borne.
martyn20
Unwell but still smiling
There is a reason it is being talked about today clearly, big news today
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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you simply dont "go down the misconduct route" for any reason other than gross misconduct. you have to have strong grounds for it to stand up, otherwise it'll be seen as a sacking. yes, to sack a manager would save money, usually the amount left on the contract isnt worth the trouble, FFP changes the equations, etc. this doesnt change the process of gross misconduct though.
symyjym
Banned
The choice Gus had was to have offered his resignation or left by mutual consent when he was suspended or before he was fired, and departed with dignity with his head held high, and he would not have been fired with gross misconducts, which are now a media curiosity.
Monkey Man
Your support is not that great
I have ZERO inside knowledge, but basing my theories on the public behaviour of all those involved, and judging their characters on past actions, I simply do not buy the idea that Tony Bloom and his employees concocted a gross misconduct charge against our best manager for a generation in order to save money.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Easy there Tiger. Whilst I appreciate that you and your fellow "Gus Walks On Water" Fan Club are having a whale of a time on this thread, in the same way that you are cautioning people not to jump to any conclusions about what happened from Jan to Mar, you can't then make leading comments like the one above unless you have insider information prior to that point.
How do you know he loved his job as much as he claimed and how do you know he changed to someone who didn't care? If you're going to demand people stick to the facts, then at least afford us the same from yourself instead of peddling your own agenda by these hints and winks and unsubstantiated comments.
At some point in the next 15 or so years Gus will write an "autobiography". It will be almost unreadable, self centred drivel and ghost written by someone desperate. It will sell by the bucket load in Brighton and the surrounding area.
Urchin
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Well said. What Gus did was wrong but it's unfair to take sides in this situation when we don't know what started it. I'm not going to just side with Bloom and the club, just because they are the club that I support, without knowing all the facts. What I was trying to get at is that what I heard Gus did was unacceptable and everything was justified. But it doesn't mean he was wrong in the matter overall, as we don't know what started it. All because the club have the power, most certainly doesn't mean their right.