Sunderland announcement today,,,

[Guinness Boy]

This bit of the thread needs B.W.

He KNOWS.

But he won't SAY.

 

[martyn20]

Blimey, that's the first post I've seen that paints Gus as blameless.

All the big bad corporate club that did it!

 

[Urchin]

No, I'm suggesting that it wasn't the big deal the club implied. Smoking guns don't stay hidden.

Correct. They don't.

 

[Steve.S]

Blimey, that's the first post I've seen that paints Gus as blameless.

I do not say he is blameless, however the question has to be asked. Was this all worth it and would we be in a better position now if we had just paid him off or let him walk away and got Oscar in earlier.

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Gus Poyet will continue for years to divide opinion among Albion fans.

I am grateful to Poyet for putting the club back where it should be, but he was aided by a chairman who gave him his chance in management, who backed him financially, who provided him with the infrastructure, and who did not interfere with his management of the team.

However, I am finding it difficult to forgive him for his self-centred comments and behaviour, which gathered pace during his time at the Albion and culminated in his virtually gifting Palace victory in the second-leg of the play-off semi-final last season.

Poyet’s antics left the club wholly unprepared for the new season and left a legacy that continues to handicap the team.

The question that we must ask is: to whom do we give the benefit of the doubt, Tony Bloom or Gus Poyet?

For me, the answer is simple.

 

[Rugrat]

That doesn't make sense though. If we wanted to save money, we should have kept him until another club wanted him, when we'd have received a large buyout payment. The only reason to get rid of him, and lose such a buyout payment, was if he really did something that the club felt was not good for BHA.

That makes sense. He would have been one of the favourites for any of the 3 or 4 Prem jobs that will come up this side of Xmas

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

That doesn't make sense though. If we wanted to save money, we should have kept him until another club wanted him, when we'd have received a large buyout payment. The only reason to get rid of him, and lose such a buyout payment, was if he really did something that the club felt was not good for BHA.

I think the saving money was secondary, the board were worried that he would leave us part way through the season, probably justifiably, so decided to make a clean break in the off-season. They went down the gross misconduct route to try and save money.

 

[martyn20]

Gus Poyet will continue for years to divide opinion among Albion fans.

I am grateful to Poyet for putting the club back where it should be, but he was aided by a chairman who gave him his chance in management, who backed him financially, who provided him with the infrastructure, and who did not interfere with his management of the team.

However, I am finding it difficult to forgive him for his self-centred comments and behaviour, which gathered pace during his time at the Albion and culminated in his virtually gifting Palace victory in the second-leg of the play-off semi-final last season.

Poyet’s antics left the club wholly unprepared for the new season and left a legacy that continues to handicap the team.

The question that we must ask is: to whom do we give the benefit of the doubt, Tony Bloom or Gus Poyet?

For me, the answer is simple.

This, this, this

 

[Urchin]

I do not say he is blameless, however the question has to be asked. Was this all worth it and would we be in a better position now if we had just paid him off or let him walk away and got Oscar in earlier.

Look at it from Blooms perspective. Everyone at the club knew that Gus was leaving at the end of the season. Gus then came out after the Palace game and said that in enough words, he was going to talk to the chairman and if the club had hit the roof, he would be leaving even though he was going anyway. So basically, when Gus left the club, he could say we hit the roof blah blah blah and blame it on Tony Bloom whilst also putting off other managers from joining. If I was Tony Bloom, I wouldn't have paid him a penny to leave.

 

[Steve.S]

That doesn't make sense though. If we wanted to save money, we should have kept him until another club wanted him, when we'd have received a large buyout payment. The only reason to get rid of him, and lose such a buyout payment, was if he really did something that the club felt was not good for BHA.

Football is not like that anymore. If Gus wanted to walk, I am sure he could have done. None of us know what the small print in his contract was. Companies sack people all the time for Gross misconduct and just because they do, does not mean that it's always lawful, people do win cases for unfair dismissal.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

The possible defence for Poyet on here is that the PFA, who must know what happened, said in their view it wasnt misconduct that warranted the sack, .

The PFA only knew GUS' version of what had happened, though...

I do not say he is blameless, however the question has to be asked. Was this all worth it and would we be in a better position now if we had just paid him off or let him walk away and got Oscar in earlier.

Why on earth would we have paid him off, if he wanted to leave? How would that 'save money'?

 

[Husty]

I think the saving money was secondary, the board were worried that he would leave us part way through the season, probably justifiably, so decided to make a clean break in the off-season. They went down the gross misconduct route to try and save money.

Because Poyet was never and won't ever be bigger than the club, and the decision was made with the interests of the club at heart.

 

[ROSM]

Do you know what? Gus played a blinder in deliberately throwing that second leg. Sending Barnes on and knowing that he would have a shot saved and hit the post straight away was pure genius.

His mistake that night was not putting 5 at the back / playing 3 centre halves when bolasie came on, but then if hed done that, he would have got stuck for being overly defensive at home.

 

[Creaky]

I do not say he is blameless, however the question has to be asked. Was this all worth it and would we be in a better position now if we had just paid him off or let him walk away and got Oscar in earlier.

This - Had we just let him walk then it is likely he would have been offered a position by another club by now which would have reduced the 'satisfaction' of the contract - also if GP truly wanted to leave it is likely that a reduction of any settlement on either side could have been drastically reduced.

I just don't see what the club has gained by going down the route they did - on the surface it looks as though we were trying to humiliate GP.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Look at it from Blooms perspective. Everyone at the club knew that Gus was leaving at the end of the season. Gus then came out after the Palace game and said that in enough words, he was going to talk to the chairman and if the club had hit the roof, he would be leaving even though he was going anyway. So basically, when Gus left the club, he could say we hit the roof blah blah blah and blame it on Tony Bloom whilst also putting off other managers from joining. If I was Tony Bloom, I wouldn't have paid him a penny to leave.

If your going to be a football cub chairman, you have to behave like a football club chairman. Its not alright to sack a good bloke like Russell Slade a few months into a multi-year contract, and then a few years later get bitter at a successful manager wanting to better himself. You sack the bad ones with dignity, you let the successful ones walk away with dignity.

 

[ROSM]

The PFA only knew GUS' version of what had happened, though...



Why on earth would we have paid him off, if he wanted to leave? How would that 'save money'?

I think he means the lma, not the pfa and they did see both sides of it.

As for saving money, if as tb says Gus resigned in march, then it's bonkers that they didn't just let him leave after the play offs. So either he didn't resign or the club indulged in some unnecessary hr activity

 

[BensGrandad]

The PFA only knew GUS' version of what had happened, though...

Would they not have contacted his employers to find out their reason for the decision and action they took. I would think so.

Sorry as ROSM pointed out I got my unions mixed up,oh for another Maggie, it was of course the LMA not PFA

 

[Steve.S]

Look at it from Blooms perspective. Everyone at the club knew that Gus was leaving at the end of the season. Gus then came out after the Palace game and said that in enough words, he was going to talk to the chairman and if the club had hit the roof, he would be leaving even though he was going anyway. So basically, when Gus left the club, he could say we hit the roof blah blah blah and blame it on Tony Bloom whilst also putting off other managers from joining. If I was Tony Bloom, I wouldn't have paid him a penny to leave.

That's the point, he sacked him and has not paid him, if Gus had walked, the result would have been the same. The only difference is one took a few months and has had an impact on preseason and is still impacting. If Gus had walked, we could have someone in within weeks and they might have had a better chance. As for managers, there are more out of work, then in work. It would not have been hard to get one.

 

[Icy Gull]

Do you know what? Gus played a blinder in deliberately throwing that second leg. Sending Barnes on and knowing that he would have a shot saved and hit the post straight away was pure genius.

His mistake that night was not putting 5 at the back / playing 3 centre halves when bolasie came on, but then if hed done that, he would have got stuck for being overly defensive at home.

Could his mind have been elsewhere on the night? Is it true he turned up just before kick off? Did his discomfort get through to the players?

Of course he didn't throw the match but it is possible that he was very unprofessional in his approach to that game, had something happened since the first leg?..just a thought.

 

[Triggaaar]

I think the saving money was secondary, the board were worried that he would leave us part way through the season, probably justifiably, so decided to make a clean break in the off-season. They went down the gross misconduct route to try and save money.

I guess it's possible, but it doesn't make sense to me. We'd have been paid £2m+ if he left in the first couple of months of this season.