[Politics] Stop the boats

[WATFORD zero]

@WATFORD zero has been correctly identified by an ex mod on this board for being a **** and a serial troll worthy of a permanent ban ( not my words) ... also a proven liar on multiple occasions.

The OP is clearly a conspiracy theory radicalised muppet believing the government failing to deal with boat crossings and deaths occurring in french territorial waters is a deliberate policy and their fault .. really not worth engaging with.

Well it is very simple. I have only ever had one account on here, (unlike yourself - you've never explained why you don't use your @FG footy genius account any more ?). It's all on the Internet forever and very simple to prove whether somebody has lied as I've shown on this thread. It's almost as if nobody has learnt anything in the last 10 years

Off you go, two quotes should do it (and don't go editing the quotes as you've always done before), I'm sure even @Steve Foster would be so disappointed if you simply did that again, I'm sure he hoped for so much more

 

[Wokeworrier]

Too late in my case but never mind, at least it didn't get nasty and abusive, unlike two others I engaged with on this thread.

Tell tale signs for trolls/***** on NSC political threads include continually misrepresenting your pov to appear clever ... liars ... and people who continually go on about/ lie about multi accounts on NSC . I admire your fortitude!

 

[worthingseagull123]

Refugee charity flooded with requests for London hosts after eviction notices

Many new refugees have been told they have seven days to leave hotels, charities say

www.standard.co.uk

It will extend beyond London I am sure, for those of you with spare rooms.

 

[sydney]

There seems to be a trend where those who challenge the narrative and try to educate and scotch many of the misconceptions and mistruths on divisive issues are then branded a lefty, because they don't follow the narrative so the establishment brand such people as left or woke to hang them out to dry in an attempt to distort their message when really they have no politiical axe and just tell it like it is. I don't find Reeve in the slightest bit politicially motivated, he has never mentioned politics, he just tells it like it is

oh so you'll remember when he interviewed the syrian , iraqi and Afghan migrants getting off the boats and walking across the greek islands as they had been told that the UK was an open border.....?? you'll remember when he interviewed Congolese and bangladeshi immigrants holed up on beaches in central america waiting for an opportunity to get across to florida .......yes i agree he is generally apolitical , how many Senegalese just perished in the ocean ...?? what's the conflict in senegal that they were fleeing..?? please enlighten me ..?

normal people have had a gut full of immigrants being foisted onto them , it is basically an incorrect and morally wrong action by the governments and needs to be called out....in my opinion.

 

[sydney]

There seems to be a trend where those who challenge the narrative and try to educate and scotch many of the misconceptions and mistruths on divisive issues are then branded a lefty, because they don't follow the narrative so the establishment brand such people as left or woke to hang them out to dry in an attempt to distort their message when really they have no politiical axe and just tell it like it is. I don't find Reeve in the slightest bit politicially motivated, he has never mentioned politics, he just tells it like it is

and no , there is no trend ....Reeve is relatively neutral but i would be reasonably sure that a conversation with him would reveal his opinions are very much on the left of centre.

 

[sydney]

Tell tale signs for trolls/***** on NSC political threads include continually misrepresenting your pov to appear clever ... liars ... and people who continually go on about/ lie about multi accounts on NSC . I admire your fortitude!

twotty is a master at that , also disappearing for days when you chuck him a pointy question.

 

[WATFORD zero]

disappearing for days when you chuck him a pointy question.

 

[carlzeiss]

Refugee charity flooded with requests for London hosts after eviction notices

Many new refugees have been told they have seven days to leave hotels, charities say

www.standard.co.uk

It will extend beyond London I am sure, for those of you with spare rooms.

Refugee charity flooded with requests for London hosts after eviction notices

Many new refugees have been told they have seven days to leave hotels, charities say

www.standard.co.uk

It will extend beyond London I am sure, for those of you with spare rooms.

Some though it seems only want to be housed in London , other parts of the country just aren't suitable for their needs

Refugees protest against plan to move them from London to Bedfordshire

More than 130 asylum seekers were living in Greenwich hotel and were given just a few hours’ notice

www.theguardian.com

Refugees protest against plan to move them from London to Bedfordshire​

 

[sydney]

interesting you're called out for exactly the same problem i think you present , you are clearly a reasonably wealthy person living in an affluent part of the country , little chance of your area being turned into a shit hole by hundreds of young migrant men ......don't bother replying , your cards marked.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Interesting that it's always the same old posters on all of the Immigration, Asylum, Taking the knee, Tommy Robinson, Black lives matter, Diversity type threads throughout the Bearpit. Probably just coincidence

I'll leave you all to it and stop disturbing you with facts

 

[sydney]

Interesting that it's always the same old posters on all of the Immigration, Asylum, Taking the knee, Tommy Robinson, Black lives matter, Diversity type threads throughout the Bearpit. Probably just coincidence

I'll leave you all to it and stop disturbing you with facts

bore off ya pillock ...you'll be over run in 5 years ....wake up.

the fact is that ireland currently has been served up thousands of violent , non compliant immigrants...Ireland , Englands perpetual dumping ground and whipping boy , being of Irish heritage i am painfully aware of that ...what are you aware of.
? apart from having to shift your "money" off shore...you absolute jockey

 

[Lever]

bore off ya pillock ...you'll be over run in 5 years ....wake up.

the fact is that ireland currently has been served up thousands of violent , non compliant immigrants...Ireland , Englands perpetual dumping ground and whipping boy , being of Irish heritage i am painfully aware of that ...what are you aware of.
? apart from having to shift your "money" off shore...you absolute jockey

Please can you rephrase this, preferably excluding personal insults, so that I can make sense and assess the point/s you are making. Genuine request....

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Gosh.

You have to hand it to the tories. They have f***ed up our borders and our ability to deal with the 'swarm' and the criminal gangs so badly, that a significant number of voters are now certain that the only solution to this mess, is to vote tory.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Because.....because under Labour everything would be much worse.

When Douglas Adams wrote about a planet where humanoids elected lizards as parliamentarians, it was meant to be satire. In his book, the humanoids hated the lizards, but kept on voting for lizards in case the wrong lizards got elected.

I suppose it boils down to this. When what passes as your mind is made up, and all new facts are forced to fit into an immutable perspective, you're finished as a human.

People blaming labour for the landscape that has emerged after 13 years of tory misrule are finished.

I don't expect any better from the people I have on ignore, carlzeiss who appears to have had some sort of stroke, wokewanka who seems to think nobody has noticed who he really is, but @sydney.....be careful what confirmation bias is doing to your perspective. I don't get why you get so angry about what you perceive as rabid folly in the UK from your perch in Australia. And if you do think it is folly, why are your guns not aimed at the party whose successive governments have presided over this mess? Why muddy the clear waters?

The tories wanted to weaponize immigration fears. To give it some flesh they have manufactured the situation that has allowed criminal gangs to import people into a black economy. All of it foreseeable. If it wasn't deliberate and the armada of 'illegal' boats and the Albanian crime network is all an unfortunate mistake then the tories must go down as the most inept shower of goons to ever run the country.

But, please carry on attacking labour. I don't expect you lot who do so to have the honesty or the balls to admit you are part of the problem.

 

[Flagship]

We should all stop putting our 10p in the lifeboat.

 

[Randy McNob]

oh so you'll remember when he interviewed the syrian , iraqi and Afghan migrants getting off the boats and walking across the greek islands as they had been told that the UK was an open border.....?? you'll remember when he interviewed Congolese and bangladeshi immigrants holed up on beaches in central america waiting for an opportunity to get across to florida .......yes i agree he is generally apolitical , how many Senegalese just perished in the ocean ...?? what's the conflict in senegal that they were fleeing..?? please enlighten me ..?

normal people have had a gut full of immigrants being foisted onto them , it is basically an incorrect and morally wrong action by the governments and needs to be called out....in my opinion.

How many people on Talk TV, GB News or right wing journalists actually speak to them? They make accusations of being economic migrants, all just young men, and don't support it with evidence or facts. and actual facts don't support this, successful asylum claims are
about 60-80%

On your first point if the refugee is in Greece and claims he wants to claim asylum in the UK he / she is perfectly entitled to do so by law. The criminals are the UK government for trying to stop people using their human rights. The high court decided the Rwanda policy was unlawful - so who's the bad guys here?

If you want these people to not have human rights it also means you also have to give up your own human rights as well, just like freedom of movement. If you were kicked out of Aus and they gave you no reason, just chucked you on a plane - you would say you have rights. no, if you don't want people to have basic human rights and goverments can do whatever they liked to people without reason, is that the road you want to go down?

 

[carlzeiss]

How many people on Talk TV, GB News or right wing journalists actually speak to them? They make accusations of being economic migrants, all just young men, and don't support it with evidence or facts. and actual facts don't support this, successful asylum claims are
about 60-80%

On your first point if the refugee is in Greece and claims he wants to claim asylum in the UK he / she is perfectly entitled to do so by law. The criminals are the UK government for trying to stop people using their human rights. The high court decided the Rwanda policy was unlawful - so who's the bad guys here?

If you want these people to not have human rights it also means you also have to give up your own human rights as well, just like freedom of movement. If you were kicked out of Aus and they gave you no reason, just chucked you on a plane - you would say you have rights. no, if you don't want people to have basic human rights and goverments can do whatever they liked to people without reason, is that the road you want to go down?

These two chaps did speak to a DM reporter and explain why it is so vital for them to claim asylum in the UK . The video is a couple of years old now so with any luck they would have arrived by now and enjoying a new life away from whatever has forced them to flee their countries of origin .

 

[Randy McNob]

These two chaps did speak to a DM reporter and explain why it is so vital for them to claim asylum in the UK . The video is a couple of years old now so with any luck they would have arrived by now and enjoying a new life away from whatever has forced them to flee their countries of origin .

whatever the reasons you can see they are desperate people, homeless and without food. They even said they risk dying because they have no life. We should be helping these people, I doubt they are enjoying themselves

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

whatever the reasons you can see they are desperate people, homeless and without food. They even said they risk dying because they have no life. We should be helping these people, I doubt they are enjoying themselves

Watching the news tonight on the fires in Greece, a local, I think he gave his name as Η αυτοκρατορία, claimed that Pakistanis, entering the country from Turkey, were using firelighters to light the fires.

There is no evidence for this, albeit the majority of the vulnerable people caught and burned to death in the fires are....Pakistani asylum seekers arriving via Turkey.

The logical inference from all this may depend on your biases and whether you consider they are confirmed.

My money is not on Pakistanis arriving in Greece and deliberately setting the fires that killed them. Call me naïve, call me morbit call me pale.

 

[Randy McNob]

Watching the news tonight on the fires in Greece, a local, I think he gave his name as Η αυτοκρατορία, claimed that Pakistanis, entering the country from Turkey, were using firelighters to light the fires.

There is no evidence for this, albeit the majority of the vulnerable people caught and burned to death in the fires are....Pakistani asylum seekers arriving via Turkey.

The logical inference from all this may depend on your biases and whether you consider they are confirmed.

My money is not on Pakistanis arriving in Greece and deliberately setting the fires that killed them. Call me naïve, call me morbit call me pale.

whatever the circumstances the flavour of news reporting will be to demonise refugees with the the actual topic of forest fires a mere side issue

 

[sydney]

How many people on Talk TV, GB News or right wing journalists actually speak to them? They make accusations of being economic migrants, all just young men, and don't support it with evidence or facts. and actual facts don't support this, successful asylum claims are
about 60-80%

On your first point if the refugee is in Greece and claims he wants to claim asylum in the UK he / she is perfectly entitled to do so by law. The criminals are the UK government for trying to stop people using their human rights. The high court decided the Rwanda policy was unlawful - so who's the bad guys here?

If you want these people to not have human rights it also means you also have to give up your own human rights as well, just like freedom of movement. If you were kicked out of Aus and they gave you no reason, just chucked you on a plane - you would say you have rights. no, if you don't want people to have basic human rights and goverments can do whatever they liked to people without reason, is that the road you want to go down?

where his my human right to travel by boat to Saudi Arabia and get ashore and be housed and fed and clothed by Saudi tax payers .....only to then go on the rampage .....your head is inserted dangerously close to your seminal vesicles me old china ....dreaming..!!