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Stephan Ireland... Again



Munkfish

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May 1, 2006
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This bloke has one Serious chip on his shoulder...


Its a long story but worth the read, if you can be bothered.


Stephen Ireland has ruled out a return to the international scene - even if the Republic of Ireland make next summer's World Cup.

The Manchester City star branded Ireland boss Giovanni Trapattoni "arrogant" and said that had made him more determined to stick by his decision.

Ireland has not played for his country for two years, standing by his self-imposed exile after revealing he hated meeting up with the squad for international duty.

While his former international team-mates are preparing for Saturday's crucial World Cup qualifier against Italy, Ireland will be spending time with his girlfriend and young family.

And in an exclusive interview with Mirror Sport, Ireland blamed Trapattoni's perceived arrogance for making him even more determined to stay away.

"Even with the prospect of the World Cup, it hasn't crossed my mind once about going back," said Ireland. "I never felt part of the squad and I never will.

"I met Trapattoni for a chat at a hotel near Manchester Airport last year but that did nothing for me.

"It made no sense whatseover. In fact, I felt like there was a lot of arrogance going on, so I just felt like I wasn't really interested.

"Me and my financial adviser, who's looked after me all my life and is someone I really trust, sat down with Trapattoni, his right-hand man and Liam Brady.

"In the middle of chatting, like we are now, he'd have four different phones going off and he kept leaving the room to talk to people.

"He'd come back, say 'sorry where was I?' but then another one would go off and after the third of fourth time this happened, I head another phone ringing.

"Trapattoni went over to where the phone was ringing and got it out of one of his bags. We were just sat there like, 'what is going on?'.

"After that we had a chat and, I guess he shouldn't have to sell it to me. But I think he should have made some sort of effort to sell it to me, and he just never really did that.

"I think he felt like I'd just want to come running back, because I think at the time he didn't rate me as a player.

"But that was before last season. Since then he hasn't spoken to me once. Then, over the summer, Ireland had a game away against Bulgaria.

"A week before that game I was in my garden, playing with the kids. I answered my phone by accident, as I was checking the time, and it was Trapattoni.

"He asked me if there was a possibility of meeting up in the future. I hadn't given it any thought, but I said guess there was no harm in meeting him.

"I thought he meant in the next few days, for the Bulgaria game. I said 'when?' and he said 'four months'. I thought that was weird, but I said I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.

"But I think he made that call for his own benefit, rather than mine, because he said to me 'Is it okay if I tell the Press I've spoken to you and there's a chance of you coming back?'.

"I said 'you can tell people we've spoken and maybe we'll meet up in the future, but don't say there's a chance of me coming back because there probably isn't'.

"As soon as he switched from taking about meeting up with me to announcing it to the media, I knew what his agenda was."

Ireland famously lied about the deaths of two grandmothers to be excused international duty, and was ridiculed when his deceit was exposed.

But he candidly admitted he had never enjoyed being away on international duty, from when he was an aspiring teenager coming through the Ireland ranks.

"My parents encouraged me to play and said it was really important for my development," said Ireland.

"I played for the Under-14s, Under-15s and so on. But as soon as I came over here and signed my contract with City, I said 'that's it'. I rejected going to a lot of the squads.

"I got called up to the full squad under Brian Kerr, then we had a massive fall-out. I stayed away for two or three years, which was a blessing in disguise.

"Then Steve Staunton called me up, and I'd just broken into the City team, so I felt I had to go. But after two or three squads I was thinking 'what am I doing here?'.

"There were times I'd finish a game with City at 8pm, then I was meant to meet up with the Ireland squad at 10pm in Dublin.

"I'd just ring up and say I don't feel well. There was nothing wrong with me, I just had no intention of ever going. I just never enjoyed it.

"I know fans will say 'well every other player does it', and that's fine, fair play. But I'm not bothered.

"A lot of the lads here at City didn't think I'd stand by my decision not to play for Ireland and I was like 'told you so'."

Ireland admitted he still watches his country on television whenever they play, but said he felt so removed from the international scene it is as if he was never involved.

"When I watch Ireland games it's weird," he said. "It's like I was never there and I don't miss it all if I'm honest.

"People forget that I only played six games. I just seem to be into the routine and the mindset that when the international break comes around, I'm not there.

"I love being able to do things with my kids. During the last international break they were about to start school, so it was nice to take them away for a few days

"When the international break comes around it's like 'great, what am I doing with the kids', not 'oh I hope I'm not in the squad'.

"A lot of people would probably think I'd love to go to the World Cup, but to be honest it hasn't really crossed my mind once.

"I hope they get there, it would be great for the country if they did. It would be a massive achievement for the manager and the players."

Despite being a rarity in terms of his refusal to play for his country, Ireland claimed more players will follow his lead in the future, with internationals losing their pull.

"Personally, I think internationals are going to be something of the past," he said. "The pride of it and all that, I just think it's getting lesser and lesser.

"Players these days don't see as pride in their country, they see it more as a chore, you know 'God, I have to go again'. That was the way it always was for me.

"I think you'll be surprised how many players - young ones at that - who will retire from international football after the World Cup.

"Look how many games they play a year, and all the pressure from club football, it's hard to see many playes really enjoying international football any more."
 






Monsieur Le Plonk

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"Players these days don't see as pride in their country, they see it more as a chore, you know 'God, I have to go again'. That was the way it always was for me.

"I think you'll be surprised how many players - young ones at that - who will retire from international football after the World Cup.

"Look how many games they play a year, and all the pressure from club football, it's hard to see many playes really enjoying international football any more."

The monied modern day footballer eh. :shrug:
Hoping that the Mirror have doctored the article and that he didn't really say those things although in this case it's probably word for word.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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It all seems a bit self-absorbed, you'd think if the guy had a brain he mention stuff like "I want to give my all to City week in, week out" "my ultimate goal is to win a big trophy with City" "I get on great with the Irish lads and wish them and the manager all the very best" etc etc.
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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From what I read, it looks like the guy is just being honest. He couldn't give a toss about International football, and would rather spend the International breaks with his family. Jamie Carragher and Paul Scholes are the same these days as well.

Fair enough, thats his perogative. But I'm glad most players don't share his attitude.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
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From what I read, it looks like the guy is just being honest. He couldn't give a toss about International football, and would rather spend the International breaks with his family. Jamie Carragher and Paul Scholes are the same these days as well.

Fair enough, thats his perogative. But I'm glad most players don't share his attitude.

Carragher was not the same though was he? His was an almighty throwing of toys out of the pram due to not being picked.
 


mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
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I like this. He is actually saying what he thinks, rather than a sound bite- media pleasing piece of drivel about focusing on his club etc.

He dosent want to play for them because the manager is a wanker. Simples
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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Carragher was not the same though was he? His was an almighty throwing of toys out of the pram due to not being picked.

Partly. Things came to a head when McLaren was putting Wes Orange in the team ahead of him. I'm reading his autobiography at the moment, and he accepts he's not as good as John Terry or Rio Ferdinand, but when he was also behind junk like Orange, as well as Ledley King being ahead of him, he was questioning the point of him bothering to meet up with the squad with so many players ahead of him in the pecking order.

Now you could say he should get his head down and fight for his place and I'd probably agree. But then when SOME footballers have young families, they often seem to put that ahead of their International career, especially if they are just "fringe" squad players. All Carragher cares about is his family and playing for Liverpool. Being part of the England squad (and rarely in the team) just got in the way of those two things for him.
 






Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
Now you could say he should get his head down and fight for his place and I'd probably agree. But then when SOME footballers have young families, they often seem to put that ahead of their International career, especially if they are just "fringe" squad players.

Shame that. If I was a professional footballer I reckon I'd well put any possible International career way ahead of Club career, nothing at club level could come close to representing your country at a World Cup, shirley?
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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He dosent want to play for them because the manager is a wanker. Simples

Which manager? Trappatoni, Brian Kerr, Stevie Staunton - they're all mentioned...you wonder whether he'd play for the Republic if they were managed by Mark Hughes.
 




Monsieur Le Plonk

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Apr 22, 2009
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I like this. He is actually saying what he thinks, rather than a sound bite- media pleasing piece of drivel about focusing on his club etc.

He dosent want to play for them because the manager is a wanker. Simples

I guess the point is it is not seen as an honour by some to play for their country. I think that's a shame.
You dont like your manager, so what. You have a chance to represent your country at the highest level. You just do it dont you?
 


Easy 10

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Shame that. If I was a professional footballer I reckon I'd well put any possible International career way ahead of Club career, nothing at club level could come close to representing your country at a World Cup, shirley?

In days gone by that was automatically the case for 99% of players. It all changed in the early 90's when football started to be branded as a "product". Clubs make top players into millionaires overnight, with one contract. Players know what side their bread is buttered.

Be interesting to find out what, given the choice, most Permiership players would rather win - the Champions League, or the World Cup. I bet you'd get quite a split with the answers. In fact, ask the fans of the 'big four' and I bet loads of them would rather their club won the CL.

Its just the way club football has grown more powerful and lucrative since its been drenched and saturated with cash.
 


Tooting Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Even leaving national pride out of it, in the old days, playing for England was the showcase that got you all the lucrative endorsements. Now a) the PL is at least as big a showcase, and b) the ridiculous salaries mean the extra promotional cash just isn't needed.
 






Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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it's a long story, it's Stephen Ireland. I can't be bothered.

Is the correct answer and it's in the Daily Mirror ffs. The only accurate reporting in that article are the names of Ireland and Trappatoni and the use of the words 'and' and 'the'
 


hopper_182

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Sep 25, 2008
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Out of interest, what would you lot rather see brighton get promoted, or England win the world cup?
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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England win the World Cup.
I've seen and will see more Albion promotions and relegations in my lifetime, thats all part of following a football club.

But England winning the World Cup ? Thats a once in a lifetime thing. If you're LUCKY.
 




Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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Partly. Things came to a head when McLaren was putting Wes Orange in the team ahead of him. I'm reading his autobiography at the moment, and he accepts he's not as good as John Terry or Rio Ferdinand, but when he was also behind junk like Orange, as well as Ledley King being ahead of him, he was questioning the point of him bothering to meet up with the squad with so many players ahead of him in the pecking order.

Now you could say he should get his head down and fight for his place and I'd probably agree. But then when SOME footballers have young families, they often seem to put that ahead of their International career, especially if they are just "fringe" squad players. All Carragher cares about is his family and playing for Liverpool. Being part of the England squad (and rarely in the team) just got in the way of those two things for him.

But King was better than him.....
 


Easy 10

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But King was better than him.....

Yes, and he knew it.
But when Terry and King were both out injured, he could reasonably have expected to get a game ahead of Tango.
Seemingly not though, and thats mainly why he jacked it in.
 


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