[Albion] Star Lizard - what exactly do we know?

[Mustafa II]

Starlizard seems to be coming up a lot amongst football fans I speak to, and on football/social media.

'How do Brighton keep uncovering gems like this?'

'Well, Tony Bloom's algorithm of course'

By that they must mean Starlizard.

If you look at the website, it all looks fairly normal, and quite impressive. It's quite transparent in that it is describing itself as a leading sports data analysis company. It's not clear who the clients are though, if anyone.

So it would be reasonable to assume that that BHAFC is benefiting from Starlizard in some ways, if not many ways. Whether it's recruitment, match analysis, or whatever.

But the way that people are talking about 'the algorithm' almost makes it seem like a mythical hack into football - like a Football Manager cheat code.

I wonder how much of our relative success is down to Starlizard, and how much of it is just down to old fashioned good management of a football club.

Would be interested to know if any NSCers know anything more about this.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

[Albion] - Starlizard

Hadn’t seen this mentioned before. From today’s Times.

www.northstandchat.com

[Albion] - Interesting piece on USG, Bloom and the methodology

"The first step was to be promoted to Belgium’s top division within three years, and to do that, Muzio knew, the squad needed to be revamped. He presented the club’s experienced manager, Marc Grosjean, with a list of potential signings, all of them selected and assessed by Starlizard’s data...

www.northstandchat.com

 

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[dazzer6666]

Starlizard seems to be coming up a lot amongst football fans I speak to, and on football/social media.

'How do Brighton keep uncovering gems like this?'

'Well, Tony Bloom's algorithm of course'

By that they must mean Starlizard.

If you look at the website, it all looks fairly normal, and quite impressive. It's quite transparent in that it is describing itself as a leading sports data analysis company. It's not clear who the clients are though, if anyone.

So it would be reasonable to assume that that BHAFC is benefiting from Starlizard in some ways, if not many ways. Whether it's recruitment, match analysis, or whatever.

But the way that people are talking about 'the algorithm' almost makes it seem like a mythical hack into football - like a Football Manager cheat code.

I wonder how much of our relative success is down to Starlizard, and how much of it is just down to old fashioned good management of a football club.

Would be interested to know if any NSCers know anything more about this.

Starlizard are (understandably) very secretive - staff are under very strict confidentiality policies. The club pays Starlizard for ‘information‘ - it’s essentially a consultancy.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

There is a big lizard on the wall at the office entrance around the corner from Camden Lock. Only he/she knows the secret.....

 

[KZNSeagull]

I doubt that StarLizard actually finds players for us etc. TB will use similar or the same data sources rather.
StarLIzard finds value bets and they are very good at it. You can find undervalued players in a similar way. TB would want full control of that and I doubt that StarLizard is the key to it, maybe just a conduit to get access to the data and some number crunching.

 

[HeaviestTed]

My guess is that probably star lizard is a model that says how good a player could be, then BHA use that to work out whether to buy players or not

 

[Papa Lazarou]

My guess is that probably star lizard is a model that says how good a player could be, then BHA use that to work out whether to buy players or not

Isn't it simply that in order to 'feed' the Starlizard algorithm they need masses of data, some of which relates to the abilities and characteristics of football players globally. We just pay Starlizard for access to some of that database to profile players that are suited to our; club ethos, style of play, specific requirements for each position. and NO DICKHEADS

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Isn't it simply that in order to 'feed' the Starlizard algorithm they need masses of data, some of which relates to the abilities and characteristics of football players globally. We just pay Starlizard for access to some of that database to profile players that are suited to our; club ethos, style of play, specific requirements for each position. and NO DICKHEADS

If it was simply down to the Starlizard algorithm, then I dare say some other club or organisation would have reverse engineered it by now. The algorithm must be supplemented by some super-smart boots on the ground shirley. Whatever the exact mix, it sure is one winning formula that the likes of Chelsea are really struggling to replicate. And long may it remain so

 

[Motogull]

I'd say none of anyone's business.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I would guess that Albion's success is down to a very highly skilled, motivated, well rewarded and well managed team from TB/PBOBE downwards that works extremely hard to achieve the success they do. They will use various tools/methods including detailed analytics (as do all Premier league teams) and given that TB already has a successful business in that area make use of that.

Unfortunately good people working hard isn't much of a story. 'The Secret Algorithm' is much more exciting to believe

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

I can't seem to link to it but there's a good post about it on Reddit with a chap who worked there trying to explain

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

If it was simply down to the Starlizard algorithm, then I dare say some other club or organisation would have reverse engineered it by now. The algorithm must be supplemented by some super-smart boots on the ground shirley. Whatever the exact mix, it sure is one winning formula that the likes of Chelsea are really struggling to replicate. And long may it remain so

Agreed, the skill is in the interpretation of the data.

 

[Bakero]

Agreed, the skill is in the interpretation of the data.

I was going to say the same. Everyone's got data but it's what you do with it that counts.

 

[beorhthelm]

an algorithm for players is something some journos can pick up on. Starlizard have algos for betting markets and they need an extensive database, which the club get to dip into for player searches, look for non-obvious performance or value. ok maybe there's some algos in there. i reckon its probably not much different to FM to shortlist, with a lot more depth and more intelligent analysis.

 

[monty uk]

This is worth reading. Has a small mention of Starlizard but no detail.

 

[cjd]

Starlizard seems to be coming up a lot amongst football fans I speak to, and on football/social media.

'How do Brighton keep uncovering gems like this?'

'Well, Tony Bloom's algorithm of course'

By that they must mean Starlizard.

If you look at the website, it all looks fairly normal, and quite impressive. It's quite transparent in that it is describing itself as a leading sports data analysis company. It's not clear who the clients are though, if anyone.

So it would be reasonable to assume that that BHAFC is benefiting from Starlizard in some ways, if not many ways. Whether it's recruitment, match analysis, or whatever.

But the way that people are talking about 'the algorithm' almost makes it seem like a mythical hack into football - like a Football Manager cheat code.

I wonder how much of our relative success is down to Starlizard, and how much of it is just down to old fashioned good management of a football club.

Would be interested to know if any NSCers know anything more about this.

You're not "interested". You are just an extremely nosey individual with little or no life of any value.

A question for you..;


How long will it be before you run away snivelling and demanding that all your previous posts are deleted from NSC as you did before as Mustafa 1 and causing Bozza one of the most difficult periods of his tenure in charge of NSC....a forum which so many of us derive such pleasure from ?

I shall refrain from describing you as an utter scumbag this time.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You're not "interested". You are just an extremely nosey individual with little or no life of any value.

A question for you..;


How long will it be before you run away snivelling and demanding that all your previous posts are deleted from NSC as you did before as Mustafa 1 and causing Bozza one of the most difficult periods of his tenure in charge of NSC....a forum which so many of us derive such pleasure from ?

I shall refrain from describing you as an utter scumbag this time.

I agree that the nature of the wording for the OP almost seemed like a Crodo setup. The 'a lot of people are talking about' line in particular. A weird way to ask about something.

 

[BNthree]

Lots of over simplification in the media and on social media about what StarLizard do.

A lot of the football industry is/was quite old fashioned and involved scouts going to watch players to give their verdict. With us there is some serious data science going on to help find players now. There’s stats available for so many aspects of a players game and it can be interrogated in loads of ways using software like R and Python which need to be programmed to find what is being looked for. That is where StarLizard will come in.

 

[albionalex]

I believe in the Club's last set of accounts we paid £3m to Star Lizard.