[Albion] ST revoked for touting Arsenal game? Now with PB response (post #306)

[CaptainDaveUK]

Selling a ST seat to an away fan at the Amex needs to be stamped out, so I can understand the club taking action, particularly if the seat keeps being sold and for profit. After that it's shades of grey down to, family of 5 buy tickets for away match but one can't go last minute due to work / sickness and they offer the spare ticket to a fellow Albion fan via NSC. Seriously what is the problem with a good old fashioned ticket exchange on NSC, with rules / parameters set by the club. Why should the ticket be left at home and benefit no-one. If this is the current policy then I think it shows a real lack of community spirit and should be reviewed and the ticket exchange on NSC reinstated, 48 hours before each away game for example.

 

[Dolph Ins]

Can you share where they have gone on record? I'm away for a few games over the winter and give my ST to my neighbour in return for him checking our house weekly, forwarding mail etc.

No money changes hands but I'm beginning to get a bit worried about some of this stuff

There are a group of 8 of us who sit together. I can't remember the last time the 8 ST holders all went to the same match. Pass quietly to an Albion fan and you will be alright. None of us has ever been checked. If an Arsenal fan asks me for a spare ticket I will happily give him 1 for 18 games of the season but no way will I let him have a ticket for the Arse match.

 

[Wozza]

Seriously what is the problem with a good old fashioned ticket exchange on NSC, with rules / parameters set by the club. Why should the ticket be left at home and benefit no-one. If this is the current policy then I think it shows a real lack of community spirit and should be reviewed and the ticket exchange on NSC reinstated, 48 hours before each away game for example.

Not being funny, but have you read this thread?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I must admit to being confused by all of this. As a 1901 member I am able to transfer my seat to anybody I like using the system set up by the club. On about 2 occasions this year I have transferred it to my son, (you merely give their e-mail address and the club send them a link to print the ticket at home and removing the admission for that match off my ST card). One other time I have transferred it to a fan who sits next to me so he can bring a relative along and it works fine.

I appreciate that I can't sell the ticket, although how the club would know I'm not sure, and that technically I am responsible for the guest during his visit. The bit that throws me though is that the club talk about 'turning a blind eye' for ordinary ST holders but actively promote it as a benefit for 1901 members. Seems very strange!

You pay extra. That pays for the admin of managing the ticket transfer.

I am surprised there are so many pages on this thread. Some people (not you [MENTION=786]Mileoakman[/MENTION]) are being very obtuse. It has almost sunk to the 'make homosexulity legal? Next it will be compulsory' level.

 

[sully]

You may have to explain the concept of 'proper fans' when talking about someone who offloads their season ticket for a day for a profit.

This has been discussed on here many times, especially when the club put out a statement asking people to stop. 'First time offender' has no meaning or value here - people were warned, and those actively chose not to adhere to those warnings.

Where do you not understand that it was sold BELOW FACE VALUE. If you think that is "someone who offloads their season ticket for a day for a profit" then you are very mistaken. As I've said earlier, I'm sure there are those who fit your description, but they are hoovering up many others in this and treating them very, very badly. This not only affects the particular individual, but also those that they usually go with, friends and family. It's a very stupid road for the club to embark on when they can't be bothererd to offer a sensible option.

Proper fans, as I'm sure you well know, have supported the club all their lives, done the letter writing, done the marches, been there at Withdean when the club really needed them, contributed to your forty notes fund and Alive and Kicking, etc, etc. When Barber and co start banning those supporters for not having realised that the club have changed their attitude and that the behaviours that we have all had for the last umpteen years were suddenly thrown out the window overnight, then I think it's very fair to be pissed off at what started as an indefinite ban. The board need to be very careful, or they'll alienate those who have been the lifeblood of the club and those who are responsible for it being in existence at all. They may not need them now, but they may well do in the future.

 

[Aveacarlin']

There's four of us in a group. On occasion one of us may, due to work commitments, not make it to a game. The ticket goes to one of our close mates. So we're guilty too.

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[sully]

Anyone advertising tickets for sale needs to give their head a good old wobble.

But just two months ago, we had a forum on here where people did exactly that.

Not everyone spends their life on football forums or reading the club's website. How are they supposed to know that the goalposts have been moved overnight?

 

[sully]

Not being funny, but have you read this thread?

I think we're debating whether the club's policy is sensible, so the question was perfectly valid.

It would be helpful if people actually thought about the consequences of this policy. I'm astounded at the number of "them's the rules" type reponses.

 

[drew]

Yes, you're quite correct. CJPOA 1994 - section 166. Absolutely mind boggling.

Why is it mind boggling? The whole point is that the club don't want people they don't know entering the ground. They turn a blind eye to season ticket holders who let friends and family use their ticket but the have said that responsibility rests with the STH, in other words, they are making the STH vicariously responsible for the behaviour of the person using the ticket. Therefore as a STH you would be foolish to let your mate who gets drunk and loutish use your ticket!!! Part of the reason the act, rightly or wrongly, was brought in was because of all the crap that went on before.

Where do you not understand that it was sold BELOW FACE VALUE. If you think that is "someone who offloads their season ticket for a day for a profit" then you are very mistaken. As I've said earlier, I'm sure there are those who fit your description, but they are hoovering up many others in this and treating them very, very badly. This not only affects the particular individual, but also those that they usually go with, friends and family. It's a very stupid road for the club to embark on when they can't be bothererd to offer a sensible option.

Proper fans, as I'm sure you well know, have supported the club all their lives, done the letter writing, done the marches, been there at Withdean when the club really needed them, contributed to your forty notes fund and Alive and Kicking, etc, etc. When Barber and co start banning those supporters for not having realised that the club have changed their attitude and that the behaviours that we have all had for the last umpteen years were suddenly thrown out the window overnight, then I think it's very fair to be pissed off at what started as an indefinite ban. The board need to be very careful, or they'll alienate those who have been the lifeblood of the club and those who are responsible for it being in existence at all. They may not need them now, but they may well do in the future.

Puzzled how the club get to know someone is selling below face value unless the ticket has been advertised somewhere. If you're advertising and getting money back then you're breaking the law. You say below face value but is that below the pro rata value of the season ticket or below the face value of the match day price. Proper fans would not be advertising their ticket, they would have enough friends and family to let them use it, at least that is what I and what I believe the majority of 'proper' fans would do.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

I think we're debating whether the club's policy is sensible, so the question was perfectly valid.

It would be helpful if people actually thought about the consequences of this policy. I'm astounded at the number of "them's the rules" type reponses.

More importantly--What are your thoughts on those split photos that @wrongdirection has on the wall of his flat

Can he expect a visit from special branch after you grassed him up

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But just two months ago, we had a forum on here where people did exactly that.

Not everyone spends their life on football forums or reading the club's website. How are they supposed to know that the goalposts have been moved overnight?

Fair point. Apologies.

But now you know.

 

[Bodian]

Am I missing something, or is the type of scenario we're talking about (passing it on to a mate for a match we can't attend, etc) actually already covered by the club?

https://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/html/tandc.html

3.2 You may only sell or transfer the Season Ticket:
3.2.1 to a Guest with the express written consent of the Club given at the Club's absolute discretion, provided that such sale or transfer is in respect of an individual Match and in consideration of no payment or benefit in excess of the face value of a ticket to that Match and provided further that such transfer does not take place during the course of any business or for the purpose of facilitating any third party's business; and/or


Isn't this effectively saying 'email (which is 'written' in legal terms nowadays) us to tell us you want to let someone else go to a match as a one-off with my ticket, and we can give consent'.

Has anyone actually tried doing this? Did it work? Would the club be overwhelmed if everyone did this?

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Where do you not understand that it was sold BELOW FACE VALUE. If you think that is "someone who offloads their season ticket for a day for a profit" then you are very mistaken. As I've said earlier, I'm sure there are those who fit your description, but they are hoovering up many others in this and treating them very, very badly. This not only affects the particular individual, but also those that they usually go with, friends and family. It's a very stupid road for the club to embark on when they can't be bothererd to offer a sensible option.

Proper fans, as I'm sure you well know, have supported the club all their lives, done the letter writing, done the marches, been there at Withdean when the club really needed them, contributed to your forty notes fund and Alive and Kicking, etc, etc. When Barber and co start banning those supporters for not having realised that the club have changed their attitude and that the behaviours that we have all had for the last umpteen years were suddenly thrown out the window overnight, then I think it's very fair to be pissed off at what started as an indefinite ban. The board need to be very careful, or they'll alienate those who have been the lifeblood of the club and those who are responsible for it being in existence at all. They may not need them now, but they may well do in the future.

Money must not change hands or it is committing a criminal offence. The clubs hands are tied in this. As I posted previously, I've seen tickets for sale on Facebook, and the club are monitoring social media.

There is a waiting list of nearly 4,000 people, so although you did your bit to get the stadium, and keep the club going, the club also has to be fair to those who are wanting tickets through the proper channels.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Does this apply to someone who has a private seat licence?

 

[supaseagull]

Felt like I was in the Arsenal home end on Sunday, fella to the right of me and two old geezers behind openly celebrating the Arsenal goals. Shocking. Anyone who gives their ticket to an opposition team fan rather than one of the thousands of Brighton fans on the waiting list need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Wait til the Manure game then


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[Claude samdamme]

Wait til the Manure game then


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I don’t mind fans of other clubs being there, but jumping up and celebrating in the wrong end takes the piss

 

[Bozza]

Why is it mind boggling? The whole point is that the club don't want people they don't know entering the ground.

No it's not. The club have previously tried to pretend this is important - security blah blah blah - but seem to have dropped this frankly nonsensical line now. Maybe someone realised:

- They permit child to adult ticket upgrade on a match by match basis (subject to a limit of 6 times per season). No details of the adult that is using the ticket are provided to the club.
- They also permit season ticket holders to bring unallocated guests to certain games such as low-demand league fixtures and Cup games, such as the Coventry FA Cup tie.

 

[pornomagboy]

I saw some on Facebook on sat 2 x tickets in east stand £70 each and there was a load of people wanting them

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[Bozza]

The whole approach is a classic "baby out with the bath water" scenario.

The club's string and sellotape ticket exchange was deactivated by Saturday morning ahead of the Arsenal game. Any STHs who discovered they were no longer able to attend the game had no means of passing on the tickets to those still wishing to go.

I'm aware of two ticketing transactions that took place on Saturday, both where one fan helped out another they did not previously know. (Dear Albion Supporter Services - just to be clear - this was not me - I sat in my own purchased season ticket seat). Otherwise empty seats were filled by fans who wanted to go to the game. No one will ever be able to convince me this is a bad thing.

 

[Triggaaar]

There's four of us in a group. On occasion one of us may, due to work commitments, not make it to a game. The ticket goes to one of our close mates. So we're guilty too.

Duly reported.