Southern Rail STRIKE details

[Yoda]

No, I am suggesting that it was never a problem before and there were plenty happy to do this and get paid to do this..this I have been told first hand...now if it was all about passenger safety, why create a situation where safety is worse now?

Unfortunately for you, the public aren't stupid enough to fall for the safety bollocks that you keep referring to! I

Seeing as you couldn't be bothered to look it up after I said the information is on Southern's website to look up, I'll take a screen grab for you.



As you can clearly see, there has been NO drastic change due to strike action over THE LAST YEAR!!!!!!

 

[bhanutz]

Seeing as you couldn't be bothered to look it up after I said the information is on Southern's website to look up, I'll take a screen grab for you.

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As you can clearly see, there has been NO drastic change due to strike action over THE LAST YEAR!!!!!!

Excuse me? If you did ask me to look them up, I must have missed your post, for which I apologise about.

What about all the cancellations? Clearly not included.

 

[Yoda]

Excuse me? If you did ask me to look them up, I must have missed your post, for which I apologise about.

What about all the cancellations? Clearly not included.

Sorry, may have been hard to spot as I did quote Albion Roar.

Cancellation have always been between 95%-97% apart from when there were direct strike days

Strike at the end of April changed it to 94%
The two 24 hour strikes in May to 84% (Because Southern ran their strike timetable for 48 hours on each).
Then after (June) 91% because Southern originally BANNED overtime/Rest Day working.

 

[Ernest]

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/gtr-station-staff-vote-to-strike160816/

 

[narly101]

You'll all be out of a job when driverless cars come about, so time to learn a new trade and stop living in the dark ages.

 

[bhanutz]

You'll all be out of a job when driverless cars come about, so time to learn a new trade and stop living in the dark ages.

If I wasn't going to the football tonight I would be pulling up a comfy chair with some popcorn!

 

[narly101]

If I wasn't going to the football tonight I would be pulling up a comfy chair with some popcorn!

It's like Blockbusters and HMV. Getting all stroppy that the world is changing and wondering where their business model has gone.

 

[Ernest]

The problem is when all the jobs have gone and nobody has any income , firstly where is the income tax coming from and who is going to pay it so everyone who has lost their job has a life of leisure ?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

The problem is when all the jobs have gone and nobody has any income , firstly where is the income tax coming from and who is going to pay it so everyone who has lost their job has a life of leisure ?

Of course. Even those laughing about others losing their jobs because of new technology will eventually lose their own because of robots and computers. Then what ?

 

[Ernest]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37101017

 

[Lower West Stander]

Train just stopped outside Redhill for 10 minutes because the one in the station was "waiting for a guard who was on another late running train".

Presumably this is one of the reasons Southern are trying to say trains can leave with no guard on board? This wouldn't have happened if new proposals are adopted and I wouldn't be worrying about getting to the game on time.






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[dazzer6666]

Of course. Even those laughing about others losing their jobs because of new technology will eventually lose their own because of robots and computers. Then what ?

Yeah right. When I joined the bank as an 18 year old in 1984 they were all taking about the looming 'paperless office' and how we'd all be replaced by computers...........still waiting........

 

[yxee]

The problem is when all the jobs have gone and nobody has any income , firstly where is the income tax coming from and who is going to pay it so everyone who has lost their job has a life of leisure ?

In this world of no jobs, we all love in bliss because nothing needs doing and we have everything we need.

But I think you know that such a world will never exist. We're just advancing one step at a time. And our lives are improving. And there are a million hard jobs that humans no longer need to do thanks to technology.

Plus, some people might not get fired with no striking conductors.

 

[The Albion Roar]

Train just stopped outside Redhill for 10 minutes because the one in the station was "waiting for a guard who was on another late running train".

Presumably this is one of the reasons Southern are trying to say trains can leave with no guard on board? This wouldn't have happened if new proposals are adopted and I wouldn't be worrying about getting to the game on time.

No. If Southern employed enough people (something they promised and then went back on), there would be less of an issue of guards being on 'late' trains. When they say 'late', they are of course, more referring to trains being 'cancelled'.

And this is totally the fault of Southern, who point blank refuse to run a coherent service.

 

[The Albion Roar]

Plus, some people might not get fired with no striking conductors.

How many people have been fired/disciplined/received warnings due to strikes?

In comparison, how many people have been fired/disciplined/received warnings due to arbitrary cancelling of trains on an industrial scale by Southern and Thameslink?

 

[Ernest]

Make an agreement with the RMT to take on another 30 conductors in May to ensure there is enough to cover trains, in June decide to sack them all instead. How anyone can blame the Conductors for the cancellations is beyond me, time the fire was directed at your local MP and they're told in no uncertain terms unless this dispute is settled properly like Scotrail managed to do then there will be a candidate put up against them at the next election to represent all the commuters etc

 

[yxee]

How many people have been fired/disciplined/received warnings due to strikes?

In comparison, how many people have been fired/disciplined/received warnings due to arbitrary cancelling of trains on an industrial scale by Southern and Thameslink?

You are not distinguishing between losing a job does to redundancy - which is an important mechanism in a capitalist economy- and losing a job due to an infrastructure that is not fit for purpose.

 

[The Clamp]

Of course. Even those laughing about others losing their jobs because of new technology will eventually lose their own because of robots and computers. Then what ?

Well, no because most industries know that to replace all their workers with automated systems would also spell the end of their own business. Simply put, there would not be enough people earning money to spend on their products. It's the reason business's that could quite easily be fully automated now, filling stations, supermarkets, cinemas, most retail stores, recruitment agencies, travel agents, fastfood outlets, warehouse positions, the list is almost endless, are not automated.

 

[Napper]

thread on page 2. Must mean everything is all well with the trains and nothing running badly.

This made me laugh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37117172

Saw the headline and just knew , just knew would be the southern jokers. Its ok though as they apologised.

Picture very strange as appears to be seats free

 

[Brovion]

Yeah right. When I joined the bank as an 18 year old in 1984 they were all taking about the looming 'paperless office' and how we'd all be replaced by computers...........still waiting........

We're now completely off-topic but I agree. Jobs evolve as the work environment evolves. When I was a boy the high streets were full of coal merchants and shops selling paraffin heaters (and paraffin). Then in the 80s and 90s it was video rental stores. Now it's mobile phone providers. It addition people still (to a greater or less extent) buy printed books and newspapers and listen to the radio; which were all technologies and jobs that we were told would disappear. Some people still even make a living from ancient technologies such as thatching! So the "technology will make you all redundant" argument MAY come true some day, but currently all that's happened over the course of human history is that jobs (and skills) have evolved. Old ones disappear and new ones come along.

And in the old days you needed two men to drive a train: one to operate the controls and the other to put the coal on the fire. #justsayin