Southampton - next British club to be bought by the Chinese?

[spence]

It has been discussed at PL meetings before. I can't see PL clubs abolishing promotion and relegation full stop, but they may be keen to move the pieces around by perhaps moving to 2 up 2 down, or have a play off between Championship club and third bottom etc.

Sky aren't interested in the arse end of the PL, it doesn't deliver in terms of ratings. All they want is United, Liverpool , Arsenal, Chelsea etc. A 'Super Sunday' of Swansea v Stoke, Bournemouth v Watford, Boro v Burnley and Palace v anyone is of no interest to the sad sacks who pay £1,000 a year and never go a live game.

By your logic the PL must have hated Leicester winning the league?

 

[Triggaaar]

Nazi gold

Interesting point.

 

[El Presidente]

By your logic the PL must have hated Leicester winning the league?

BT Sport certainly do, ratings for the CL have plumetted this season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/24/sky-sports-bt-sport-people-switching-football-off

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't know much about PL clubs, but aren't these ones at least, basically owned by British people?

Spurs (registered in the Bahamas)
Hull

 

[Albion my Albion]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_club_owners

 

[Gwylan]

It has been discussed at PL meetings before. I can't see PL clubs abolishing promotion and relegation full stop, but they may be keen to move the pieces around by perhaps moving to 2 up 2 down, or have a play off between Championship club and third bottom etc.

Sky aren't interested in the arse end of the PL, it doesn't deliver in terms of ratings. All they want is United, Liverpool , Arsenal, Chelsea etc. A 'Super Sunday' of Swansea v Stoke, Bournemouth v Watford, Boro v Burnley and Palace v anyone is of no interest to the sad sacks who pay £1,000 a year and never go a live game.

The interesting question is: why haven't the PL clubs introduced two-up, two-down or even one-up, one-down? That would certainly be in their best financial interest. I don't know the answer, BTW, but I suspect that there's an agreement in place to stop it happening.

And yes, Sky is only interested in the top six clubs but there are only 30 games between them, what's going to happen the rest of the time? If there's no relegation, there's no incentive for the other 14 clubs to invest in players so there'll be a lot of sub-standard games.

 

[super-seagulls]

Arsenal
Liverpool
Everton
West Brom
Swansea
Palace (partially)
Southampton
Leicester
Manchester United
Manchester City
Sunderland
Chelsea
Spurs (registered in the Bahamas)
Bournemouth
Watford
Hull

English owned clubs are:
West Ham
Boro
Burnley
Stoke

16 foreign owners. It takes 14 clubs in the Premier League to change the constitution in relation to relegation.


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What are the Championship figures?
In fact while you are at it could you do us all 72 FL clubs?

 

[Notters]

By your logic the PL must have hated Leicester winning the league?

I thought that was common knowledge?

 

[El Presidente]

What are the Championship figures?
In fact while you are at it could you do us all 72 FL clubs?

Overseas Championship owners

VIlla (China)
Birmingham (China)
Wolves (China)
Cardiff (Malaysia)
Fulham (Pakistan)
Dirty Leeds (Italy)
Forest (Kuwait)
QPR (Malaysia/India)
Wednesday (Thailand)
Blackburn (India)

Rest are domestically owned, but it is still 40% foreign ownership in the Championship.

I don't have enough data on lower league clubs at present, sorry.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Overseas Championship owners

VIlla (China)
Birmingham (China)
Wolves (China)
Cardiff (China)
Fulham (Pakistan)
Dirty Leeds (Italy)
Forest (Kuwait)
QPR (Malaysia/India)
Wednesday (Thailand)

Rest are domestically owned, but it is still 37.5% foreign ownership in the Championship.

I don't have enough data on lower league clubs at present, sorry.

Blackburn ?

Have the Venkys gone ?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

BT Sport certainly do, ratings for the CL have plumetted this season.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/24/sky-sports-bt-sport-people-switching-football-off

Interesting article. Read many of the comments and this one stuck out lol!

 

[Triggaaar]

This has been mentioned before but I still can't see it. I very much doubt that you could have a situation where relegation is stopped during that season

Presumably they could take a vote just after the last day of a season, so you have the new member and the next season hasn't yet started etc. Regardless of when such a vote was taken, I'd expect there to be legal challenges from those not in the PL.

That's before you consider whether Sky would chuck much money into a league where most of the games would have nothing riding on them

I hope you're right. I would certainly cancel Sky/BT etc immediately if it were to happen, regardless of whether we're in the PL or not. I can't put into words how bad it would be.

I do think there's a possibility of some games being moved to Asia though

I hope you're wrong, it goes against our footballing traditions.

 

[Triggaaar]

Cardiff (China)

So it's no longer owned by the Malaysian Vincent Tan?

 

[El Presidente]

The interesting question is: why haven't the PL clubs introduced two-up, two-down or even one-up, one-down? That would certainly be in their best financial interest. I don't know the answer, BTW, but I suspect that there's an agreement in place to stop it happening.

And yes, Sky is only interested in the top six clubs but there are only 30 games between them, what's going to happen the rest of the time? If there's no relegation, there's no incentive for the other 14 clubs to invest in players so there'll be a lot of sub-standard games.

There are incentives for clubs to do well though.

1: They still receive gate receipt and have commercial deals that generate revenues. If they put out shite teams then those two sources of income will disappear, and the fans will take to the pitchforks.
2: If there is a reduced form of relegation there is still a huge incentive to avoid it as the difference is about £50m a year (with parachute payments) and £95million once such payments cease.
3: Under the present split of TV money, 50% is given equally, 25% based on number of appearances on TV and 25% on position in the table. So again there is a financial inducement to do well.

 

[El Presidente]

I hope you're wrong, it goes against our footballing traditions.

So does kickoffs on a Friday and Monday night, Saturday lunchtime and most of Sunday, but if it suits the owners then the fans interests will be ignored as we have seen on countless previous occasions.

West Ham are charging £50 for kids tickets to see the lovely bunch of Eastenders play Arsenal (and £80 for an adult ticket). The tradition of football being a working class game has been extinguished by the novelty toy salesmen (and woman) who run the Hammers and many others.

 

[El Presidente]

So it's no longer owned by the Malaysian Vincent Tan?

My error!

 

[Triggaaar]

My error!

I look to you for expertise on these things El P, but you're making me doubt you.

 

[Triggaaar]

So does kickoffs on a Friday and Monday night, Saturday lunchtime and most of Sunday, but if it suits the owners then the fans interests will be ignored as we have seen on countless previous occasions.

I don't think all fans are against the games at those times, I like being able to watch footy on the TV sometimes. Of course it means we don't get to go to many Saturday home games, but that's not a big deal to everyone.

Removing the home/away element to games is a completely different kettle of fish IMO.

West Ham are charging £50 for kids tickets

Bloody hell, that's outrageous.

The tradition of football being a working class game has been extinguished by the novelty toy salesmen (and woman) who run the Hammers and many others.

Well given that I'm not working class, I don't mind that football isn't just for the working class.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So it's no longer owned by the Malaysian Vincent Tan?

Malkey Mackay thinks he's, er, Chinese.

 

[El Presidente]

I look to you for expertise on these things El P, but you're making me doubt you.

I am heading my head in shame.

I do however have a three page interview in NORWEGIAN out today. It's been a life long ambition of mine to appear in a Scandinavian publication.

http://www.liverpool.no/