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Its a joke Alan,we all know you do have contacts at the clu b and I believe you 100% but whats the point saying I know on here then saying I cant say.
Hmm, just shy of 28,000 posts in, I've just come to realise that.
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So what is Dean Wilkins thinking?
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Hmm, just shy of 28,000 posts in, I've just come to realise that.
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It doesn't require a genius to know that Knight still loved 
Adams and would jump at any chance to re-hire the bloke. What reason would he need to oust DW? Not much of one once he knew that MA was available and ready to go. Adams probably even suggested "no darling, wait til the end of the season to dump him, it's fairer, and why not offer him another job?
"yes oh darling, you are so thoughtful and kind, let's make love now, and we can get married at the end of the season and live happily ever after in the Falmer Stadium I am building for us"
The course of true love didn't run smooth, and the good fellow they cheated on licks his woulds in another place - hurt but older, and wiser.
All these convoluted stories of possible reasons are by the way and only suits the errant couple to let run on - lest their ill fated tryst be revealed for the folly it completely was (and still is)
Adams and would jump at any chance to re-hire the bloke. What reason would he need to oust DW? Not much of one once he knew that MA was available and ready to go. Adams probably even suggested "no darling, wait til the end of the season to dump him, it's fairer, and why not offer him another job?"yes oh darling, you are so thoughtful and kind, let's make love now, and we can get married at the end of the season and live happily ever after in the Falmer Stadium I am building for us"
The course of true love didn't run smooth, and the good fellow they cheated on licks his woulds in another place - hurt but older, and wiser.
All these convoluted stories of possible reasons are by the way and only suits the errant couple to let run on - lest their ill fated tryst be revealed for the folly it completely was (and still is)
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in my view wilkins was a average manager and because of the f*** up adams has caused he has gone up higher in our views then he should be.Even when we came 7th the polls on here had loads saying out.Knight is not to blame for this mess in my view lets be fair to the man most of us on here were creaming our pants that Adams was coming back and thought we would piss the league.What has shocked most of us and I bet shocked Knight more is the pale shadow of Micky adams 1 that Micky adams 2 was.
Its very easy to blame Dick Knight and when we lose I do tend to go ott but most of us on here would have done the same thing as he did in replacing wilkins with adams.And of course the ones at the time that said it was a very poor move are of course with hindsight very correct.
Its very easy to blame Dick Knight and when we lose I do tend to go ott but most of us on here would have done the same thing as he did in replacing wilkins with adams.And of course the ones at the time that said it was a very poor move are of course with hindsight very correct.
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Hmm, just shy of 28,000 posts in, I've just come to realise that.
Face it Al, you're just stirring murky visions and perpetuating yet more rumour.
This affair was not a game of 'Cluedo' or a 'Whodunit' ffs, it was HANGMAN.
Adams just couldn't get a clue and the game has finished with him hung at
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Bloody hell you certainly live up to your username don't you? Why didn't you just answer the specific question instead of giving me a lecture on employer/employee relations?
The only relevant part of your post are the first four words - "I have no idea". Honestly there's no shame in that, none of us know. Which is the precise reason these threads still appear ten months after Wilkins' sacking and still generate as much debate.
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To be fair to TLO over all this, if you ask him he will quite happily tell you privately what he's heard, which he did with me last night. Basically the people who told him things asked him not to post it on here, which you have to respect really. I think he'd probably agree that it was maybe a mistake to say he'd heard things without being able to divulge them, but he'd hardly be the first on here to do that!
As for what was said, it is interesting. I don't think the entire truth will ever be known and there's still LOADS of unanswered questions, but there we go.
As for what was said, it is interesting. I don't think the entire truth will ever be known and there's still LOADS of unanswered questions, but there we go.
Austrian Gull
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Just what we need, someone else in the know...
I'm not in the know, I'm just saying that if you want to know what TLO is going on about he will tell you - he just can't put it on here because the people he says he's heard things off asked him not to. Nobody probably besides Dick Knight himself is 'in the know'. And even adding what TLO's found out to the bits and pieces I'd heard, there's still far too much speculation and conjecture to come to an informed viewpoint either way in my view.
London Pompous
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Fair enough. In which case, I think Dean Wilkins is probably thinking why Orient didn't give him the managers job if he is as good as so many claim him to be. That Barry Hearn must be a complete twat (which to be fair, we all know he is).
bhadebenhams
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I heard that Dean was offered the Orient job, but is so loyal to Brighton that he turned it down as didn't want to manage one of are relegation rivals and use his skills to relegate us.
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I used to cream of Mickey but past is past in my book and i was happy with steady progression under a 20 year servant to the club who had learnt his trade from within the Albion and then was applying in the highest position here.
It was not hindsight in my eyes it was foresight which some people can not understand ,i am not saying it after the downfall of our on the pitch form.
I and others have said it was a poor decision from a previously forward thinking chairman but more importantly a morale wrong decision.
I thinking if i was in Wilkins position i would have found it hard not to have landed one on the chairman for what seems like all but finishing his football management career.
I just hope someone is brave enough to give Dean a job inside league football as let's face it he is not a big enough name to get one easily maybe he will have to accept a coaches jobs first and then sneak in the back door as he so patiently had done here.
Dick rightly expects the managers to take the on the field responsibility's but HE should be held responsible for chopping a good man for a poor one and also costing the club many pounds in doing so.
As for TLO he only will hear as you rightly said a clubs point of view perhaps he needs to speak to Dean and Ian to get a balanced opinion.
As for you going OTT i won't hear of it!
Lokki 7
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Maybe it's because a vocal minority continue to try to blacken his name and belittle his achievements. Perhaps this character assassination is having an effect on his job prospects.
Are you now going to site every job that DW doesn't get offered as evidence of him being not up to the task at Brighton? Do you scrape all of your arguments from the bottom of the barrell?
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Your kiddin' me.
The ones that knew it was an unecessary risk in sacking Wilkins have been proved 100% correct.
There is no hindsight involved in that view, as it was given back last Summer !!!
What you meant to say is that with hindsight you lot have been proved to be totally wrong and you are all struggling to come to terms with your discredited views !!!
To be fair to London Pompous in his reply to my post he has answered the original question 'So what is Dean Wilkins thinking?' And obviously his guess is as good as anybody's.
However I was more interested in an answer to another question: if what Wilkins did was so bad why wasn't he sacked on the spot like Yeovil did with Slade? And before anyone jumps down my throat I accept I have no RIGHT to know - but that doesn't stop me from being curious.
As you know I haven't always agreed with you in the past - but on this subject you are 100% spot-on.
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If LP knew that Wilkins applied for the Orient job and did not get it then I grant you, I am being perhaps a little unfair to him. But to me it just looks like another excuse to put DW down. Maybe he didn't get the job because he didn't apply.
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EXASPERATING, FFS!
"people he heard things off" eh? Well what do you think perpetuates and exacerbates and catalyzes all the rumours (many DIFFERENT rumours all coming from 'reliable sources')? Of COURSE he heard from 'people'.
I've heard things "from people", but then other "people" completely refute what those other "people" said because each little story has differed, and come from a range of sources.
I wouldn't be surprised if DK and DW have different versions and views of events, but even within men's minds there exists the wonderful creative ability to whip up a new viewpoint, a new version of the hows and whyfores.
Now you can say you heard from another "people", and TLO can keep maintaining that his "people" are closer to 'the know' and more believable than all other "people".
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Back to basic facts, Dean Wilkins was not expecting it, and was shocked to be fired.
His players were not expecting it, and were shocked he was fired.
Those facts tell you something at least.
That the board *probably* decided to do it from January onwards, and *probably* approached Adams well before the deed was done, are rather more than likely. January's events *probably* can be seen as an indicator for all amateur detectives out there.
To me, the whole affair *suggests* that simply, the board *probably* did not take well to DW as a union representative for the players.
A messier, but safer option for DW, may have been for players and/or their agents to approach the board as a gaggle of individual malcontents (starting with Hammond, Bas and O'C). The language of that would have been somewhat interesting and resulted in much more disruption, and yes the board would *probably* still have laid the blame at Wilkins' table.
His players were not expecting it, and were shocked he was fired.
Those facts tell you something at least.
That the board *probably* decided to do it from January onwards, and *probably* approached Adams well before the deed was done, are rather more than likely. January's events *probably* can be seen as an indicator for all amateur detectives out there.
To me, the whole affair *suggests* that simply, the board *probably* did not take well to DW as a union representative for the players.
A messier, but safer option for DW, may have been for players and/or their agents to approach the board as a gaggle of individual malcontents (starting with Hammond, Bas and O'C). The language of that would have been somewhat interesting and resulted in much more disruption, and yes the board would *probably* still have laid the blame at Wilkins' table.
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ROSM
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There are only two people who know what happened for CERTAIN between Knight and Wilkins and I even doubt that they will agree on what happened. Everybody else is conjecture based on what they've heard and from whom (players, shareholders, agents, chief scout, directors etc) or based on a gut feel.
The ironic thing is that this thread is full of people having a go at TLO because he has an opinion which may have been influenced by what he's heard from some of the above sources. Yet in this very thread we have comments based on pure gut feel which seem to be allowed unchallenged.
FWIW I think that TLO shouldn't refer to sources if he cant name them but at least he tried to put some context to his views.
As for me - I blame those (be they fans or directors or shareholders) who hounded that nice Mr McGhee out of the job. He was a man for the future
The ironic thing is that this thread is full of people having a go at TLO because he has an opinion which may have been influenced by what he's heard from some of the above sources. Yet in this very thread we have comments based on pure gut feel which seem to be allowed unchallenged.
FWIW I think that TLO shouldn't refer to sources if he cant name them but at least he tried to put some context to his views.
As for me - I blame those (be they fans or directors or shareholders) who hounded that nice Mr McGhee out of the job. He was a man for the future