Smokers beware - No butts !

[Dick Knights Mumm]

um... tobacco is one of the most addictive substances in the world...

I know. But adults can make their own decisions. It isn't easy to give up, but adults can see the consequences.

 

[tedebear]

I agree with the smoking ban in public places, workspaces etc. and I also agree with charging people for dropping their butts on the street, thats just lazy!. But I don't agree with banning it in private places like pubs, I still stick to the argument that if you put a sign on the door saying this is a smoking pub, then you have a choice to go in or not. If you don't want to go in then you can go to the pub down the road that isn't no smoking (we have two non smoking pubs in Shoreham now)...

I'm scared that we're becoming a nanny state. I'm afraid that sometime in the future we'll lose the right to choose what we want to do...

 

[Commander]

I agree with the smoking ban in public places, workspaces etc. and I also agree with charging people for dropping their butts on the street, thats just lazy!. But I don't agree with banning it in private places like pubs, I still stick to the argument that if you put a sign on the door saying this is a smoking pub, then you have a choice to go in or not. If you don't want to go in then you can go to the pub down the road that isn't no smoking (we have two non smoking pubs in Shoreham now)...

But what if the smoking pub is much better than than the non-smoking one? Surely then it's unfair? Why should someone who doesn't smoke have to go to the shit pub?

 

[tedebear]

But what if the smoking pub is much better than than the non-smoking one? Surely then it's unfair? Why should someone who doesn't smoke have to go to the shit pub?

So you're giving the government the right to dictate to the landlord what his pub should be, just because the non smokers want to go there? What if the landlord is a smoker?

I just find that really overbearing and dictatorial, if you get what I mean?

 

[Commander]

So you're giving the government the right to dictate to the landlord what his pub should be, just because the non smokers want to go there? What if the landlord is a smoker?

I just find that really overbearing and dictatorial, if you get what I mean?

I do know what you mean, and I agree about the nanny state point, but it is a bit unfair for non smokers having to breath in everyone else's smoke when they go to a pub. They shouldn't have to go to non smoking pubs (which I bet are generally not as good as smoking pubs) if they dont want to choke themselves to death on other people's smoke.

I am a reformed smoker (the worst kind, I know) but I thought like this when I still smoked. Plus, having lived (and smoked) in a country where there was a ban in place, I can safely say that I preferred it, both when I smoked and once I had given up. When you wake up in the morning after a night out, your clothes dont stink and your throat doesn't hurt, and you don't get as bad a hangover. Also, if you do smoke and have to go outside to do it, you smoke less than you would normally and you meet loads of people because smokers talk to each other. Has to be a good thing IMHO.

 

[tedebear]

Yeah agree with what you're saying also... I usually have a shower when I get in from going out just because I hate waking up smelling like crap!

What concerns me is the bigger issue that the government bans this, and then decides alcohol is bad, so bans that, and then cars are bad so bans that...etc... If its starts will it get going like a steamtrain?

I believe if you own a pub, its yours and you can do with it what you like, and it concerns me that the government is going to have a say in what happens on his private property?

Rock and a hard place really.....

 

[Commander]

Yeah agree with what you're saying also... I usually have a shower when I get in from going out just because I hate waking up smelling like crap!

What concerns me is the bigger issue that the government bans this, and then decides alcohol is bad, so bans that, and then cars are bad so bans that...etc... If its starts will it get going like a steamtrain?

I believe if you own a pub, its yours and you can do with it what you like, and it concerns me that the government is going to have a say in what happens on his private property?

Rock and a hard place really.....

Yep, that's all fair enough, and that does seem to be the way things are going. However, that doesn't really bother me because once it goes too far I'm going to go and live somewhere hot anyway.

 

[bhaexpress]

Yeah agree with what you're saying also... I usually have a shower when I get in from going out just because I hate waking up smelling like crap!

What concerns me is the bigger issue that the government bans this, and then decides alcohol is bad, so bans that, and then cars are bad so bans that...etc... If its starts will it get going like a steamtrain?

I believe if you own a pub, its yours and you can do with it what you like, and it concerns me that the government is going to have a say in what happens on his private property?

Rock and a hard place really.....

Been saying that for a long time as if smoking were banned then alcohol would be next right up until crossing the road is deemed bad for you health (by the way sex would have been long before that). As I mentioned earlier the fallout from prohibition in the US would show that a total ban is quite unviable in any case.

However, how would the government replace the revenue from tobacco and alcohol ? Well, because we'd have more money to spend as we wouldn't be able to spend it on booze and fags we'd end up having to pay a lot more income tax instead.

 

[tedebear]

However, how would the government replace the revenue from tobacco and alcohol ? Well, because we'd have more money to spend as we wouldn't be able to spend it on booze and fags we'd end up having to pay a lot more income tax instead.

Yes - agreed - the tax from these things must be replaced. So the government would be hard pressed to ban it all....Should the tax on alcohol and fags be used to pay for the treatment of the illnesses it causes?

 

[Commander]

Been saying that for a long time as if smoking were banned then alcohol would be next right up until crossing the road is deemed bad for you health (by the way sex would have been long before that). As I mentioned earlier the fallout from prohibition in the US would show that a total ban is quite unviable in any case.

However, how would the government replace the revenue from tobacco and alcohol ? Well, because we'd have more money to spend as we wouldn't be able to spend it on booze and fags we'd end up having to pay a lot more income tax instead.

So they are going to ban alcohol in Ireland, New Zealand etc?

Yeah right.

 

[BensGrandad]

How long until the smoking ban?

Go like California and make it illegal to smoke in the presence of another person, that covers every situation everywhere.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

If smoking is to be banned (eventually?). What about the knock on effect to countries like Malawi?

The eighth poorest country in the world and it relies on tabacco as their main export.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Go like California and make it illegal to smoke in the presence of another person, that covers every situation everywhere.

Yeah, because California is a fantastic model to base our country on.

 

[MikeySmall]

A Irish work colleague told me that after the smoking ban had come into place, the owners of clubs had another problem to deal with. They all stank - the smoke had always covered up the smell of sweat etc.

 

[bhaexpress]

Yes - agreed - the tax from these things must be replaced. So the government would be hard pressed to ban it all....Should the tax on alcohol and fags be used to pay for the treatment of the illnesses it causes?

Actually it does, by many times more. Using that logic let's tax any risky sports and most foods too.

 

[Cian]

A Irish work colleague told me that after the smoking ban had come into place, the owners of clubs had another problem to deal with. They all stank - the smoke had always covered up the smell of sweat etc.

Clubs smell of sweat and auld lad pubs smell of damp old men. Lovely

 

[Gazwag]

I agree lobbing a fag butt out of a car window is obnoxious what can you do if you're in the street ?

Stub it out on the pavement and put it in your pocket hardly rocket science

Cigarette butts are a minor problem compared to a five mile radius of a fast food establishment, especially with a drive through, I cant understand why people eat their meal in their car, then wind down the window and just chuck their rubbish out

 

[MikeySmall]

Use an old camera film case to carry your butts. What I used on my travels....

 

[Trufflehound]

um... tobacco is one of the most addictive substances in the world...

I thought tobacco itself wan't that addictive. It's the other 4000-odd chemicals that the cigarette companies add that get the smokers hooked.

At least that's what the big lawsuits in America were about in the 90s.