[TV] Sky,Virgin tv streaming, Am I morally wrong ?

[phoenix]

TV,Technology,Streaming

Ok guys,
I have sky sports, TNT, BT Sports on my Virgin tv deal. A problem iv'e had for a couple of years. Its a nice day i sit on the balcony and decide to watch Sky sports via wifi streaming at 620 mbs (speed test on the balcony) never drops out all good. So i put football,cricket on whatever. I get a lot of buffering and sometimes cuts out altogether probably every 10 mins. l Look on the Virgin help line lots of others with the same problem. So i go on a well know streaming site and put my VPN on and works perfectly non stop. So i guess i this is not allowed but surly its up to SKY to provide a fit for purpose service. Out of interest BT is absolutely fine. Also i seem to remember when i did have SKY from sky i didn't have this problem. Iv'e been assured its not the Virgin app as i use the app for lots of other streaming channels i have no reason to doubt this. So i'm carrying on using the internet for my Sky tv. And quite frankly Sky can stick it up their bum. As a final note i will keep paying Virgin for the service so as not to be stealing it so to speak.
Thoughts please.

Last thread started around 2014.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I think you are one of the very few who streams whilst still paying Virgin. Your conscience should be 100% clear.

 

[happypig]

A speedtest is not indicative of real world performance. There could be bottlenecks or throttling going on, the fact that through a VPN it works fine suggests it’s some sort of traffic shaping in the Virgin network.
To narrow it down, try watching a long 4k or 8k stream on youtube with and without the VPN. Try a popular Sky event with and without the VPN.

 

[phoenix]

A speedtest is not indicative of real world performance. There could be bottlenecks or throttling going on, the fact that through a VPN it works fine suggests it’s some sort of traffic shaping in the Virgin network.
To narrow it down, try watching a long 4k or 8k stream on youtube with and without the VPN. Try a popular Sky event with and without the VPN.

No bottle necks iv'e even connected on the tv hard wired laptop with enet cable . The next thing this is why would BT be ok always on exactly the same system? Throttling, Yes there is a possibility Throttling is going on by sky . it doesn't work fine through a VPN if you read again I said "So i go on a well know streaming site and put my VPN on and it works perfectly " I don't think Sky will let you use a VPN as they have to verify your exact location I do appreciate your input though, thanks. The VPN is to protect my identity as i would always use one. But obviously not with Virgin media or SKY themselves.

 

[phoenix]

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[phoenix]

i even tried Frankfurt ping not as good normally around 9 Virgin London 636 mbs Frankfurt 643 mbs

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

On a similar subject I’ll table a scenario.

If you had a ticket for a premier league match but didn’t go due to illness but watched it on an illegal stream would you still be committing an offence by watching it, despite already having paid the more expensive in person rate?

 

[phoenix]

On a similar subject I’ll table a scenario.

If you had a ticket for a premier league match but didn’t go due to illness but watched it on an illegal stream would you still be committing an offence by watching it, despite already having paid the more expensive in person rate?

Great question, Like myself if anyone did this the law would say guilty. Obviously its slightly different thay you would be able to attend but if the match was called off you would either watch the replayed game or get a refund. Where as I (partly) can't receive the service iv'e paid (it's fine on my tv via the Virgin media box) for and i can prove it.There are also a lot of Virgin customers are experiencing the same problem. I would suggest thats a rather different proporsition. So if i was away from me tv on holiday and the same happened i should be able to receive a refund. Yeah like that would happen, but the oress would be all over it.

 

[Cotton Socks]

TV,Technology,Streaming

Ok guys,
I have sky sports, TNT, BT Sports on my Virgin tv deal. A problem iv'e had for a couple of years. Its a nice day i sit on the balcony and decide to watch Sky sports via wifi streaming at 620 mbs (speed test on the balcony) never drops out all good. So i put football,cricket on whatever. I get a lot of buffering and sometimes cuts out altogether probably every 10 mins. l Look on the Virgin help line lots of others with the same problem. So i go on a well know streaming site and put my VPN on and works perfectly non stop. So i guess i this is not allowed but surly its up to SKY to provide a fit for purpose service. Out of interest BT is absolutely fine. Also i seem to remember when i did have SKY from sky i didn't have this problem. Iv'e been assured its not the Virgin app as i use the app for lots of other streaming channels i have no reason to doubt this. So i'm carrying on using the internet for my Sky tv. And quite frankly Sky can stick it up their bum. As a final note i will keep paying Virgin for the service so as not to be stealing it so to speak.
Thoughts please.

Last thread started around 2014.

If you're already paying for it, you're not stealing it! My guess is your provider throttling your wifi. My pc is connected to the router via ethernet cable. I spent ages arguing with son that there was nothing wrong with 'ping' or 'speed' as his Xbox games were lagging. A conversation with someone from Virgin Media when I was moving to a cheaper deal with BT suggested that they had been throttling my bandwidth, as my son had been playing too much Xbox at the same time as every other kid was. When I signed up to Virgin Media 15+ years ago there was no throttling guaranteed. It appeared that was discounted after a few years. It might be worth asking for a newer router.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

On a similar subject I’ll table a scenario.

If you had a ticket for a premier league match but didn’t go due to illness but watched it on an illegal stream would you still be committing an offence by watching it, despite already having paid the more expensive in person rate?

Has never troubled my conscience

 

[happypig]

If you're already paying for it, you're not stealing it! My guess is your provider throttling your wifi. My pc is connected to the router via ethernet cable. I spent ages arguing with son that there was nothing wrong with 'ping' or 'speed' as his Xbox games were lagging. A conversation with someone from Virgin Media when I was moving to a cheaper deal with BT suggested that they had been throttling my bandwidth, as my son had been playing too much Xbox at the same time as every other kid was. When I signed up to Virgin Media 15+ years ago there was no throttling guaranteed. It appeared that was discounted after a few years. It might be worth asking for a newer router.

Throttling aka traffic shaping, will not be done on the router, it will be done on the providers network.

 

[Cotton Socks]

Throttling aka traffic shaping, will not be done on the router, it will be done on the providers network.

If he's not a big gamer it might be the router. All I know is that Virgin were traffic shaping my line & accidentally fessed up, when I was leaving due to price. I've had no moaning teenager about 'lag' on Xbox since I moved to BT. Obviously he still moans about everything else though!

 

[phoenix]

If you're already paying for it, you're not stealing it! My guess is your provider throttling your wifi. My pc is connected to the router via ethernet cable. I spent ages arguing with son that there was nothing wrong with 'ping' or 'speed' as his Xbox games were lagging. A conversation with someone from Virgin Media when I was moving to a cheaper deal with BT suggested that they had been throttling my bandwidth, as my son had been playing too much Xbox at the same time as every other kid was. When I signed up to Virgin Media 15+ years ago there was no throttling guaranteed. It appeared that was discounted after a few years. It might be worth asking for a newer router.

I'm sure you are right. My guess is Sky are throttling it so people will say Virgin are crap. But i won't be finding out anytime soon. I just don't think Sky are providing the speeds necassary to watch a seemless hd stream, and iv'e tried reducing the quality of the stream.I also shrank the screensize to use less bandwidth. sat next to the router even took the old 1.5 out of mothballs and used e/net to fire it up via the onboard card. My wifi its still reading in the high 500mbs. So yes iv'e tried my best.

 

[phoenix]

If he's not a big gamer it might be the router. All I know is that Virgin were traffic shaping my line & accidentally fessed up, when I was leaving due to price. I've had no moaning teenager about 'lag' on Xbox since I moved to BT. Obviously he still moans about everything else though!

Its not the router. I can watch 6 Russian birds in different rooms at the same time. I mean what better proof than that. Oh yes c.o.d g.ta all run fine live on line . It never drops below 500mbs.

 

[phoenix]

Has never troubled my conscience

Which is my position from now on

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Has never troubled my conscience

Maverick

 

[Munkfish]

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TV,Technology,Streaming

Ok guys,
I have sky sports, TNT, BT Sports on my Virgin tv deal. A problem iv'e had for a couple of years. Its a nice day i sit on the balcony and decide to watch Sky sports via wifi streaming at 620 mbs (speed test on the balcony) never drops out all good. So i put football,cricket on whatever. I get a lot of buffering and sometimes cuts out altogether probably every 10 mins. l Look on the Virgin help line lots of others with the same problem. So i go on a well know streaming site and put my VPN on and works perfectly non stop. So i guess i this is not allowed but surly its up to SKY to provide a fit for purpose service. Out of interest BT is absolutely fine. Also i seem to remember when i did have SKY from sky i didn't have this problem. Iv'e been assured its not the Virgin app as i use the app for lots of other streaming channels i have no reason to doubt this. So i'm carrying on using the internet for my Sky tv. And quite frankly Sky can stick it up their bum. As a final note i will keep paying Virgin for the service so as not to be stealing it so to speak.
Thoughts please.

Last thread started around 2014.

You cant watch Sky Sports on the Virgin App, you have to use Sky Sports separately.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Maverick

Can you watch reruns online? Sweet!

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'm sure you are right. My guess is Sky are throttling it so people will say Virgin are crap. But i won't be finding out anytime soon. I just don't think Sky are providing the speeds necassary to watch a seemless hd stream, and iv'e tried reducing the quality of the stream.I also shrank the screensize to use less bandwidth. sat next to the router even took the old 1.5 out of mothballs and used e/net to fire it up via the onboard card. My wifi its still reading in the high 500mbs. So yes iv'e tried my best.

Even though the speedtest on the router will often read the total bandwidth of service, my take is the router's themselves can be very poor at managing modern high levels of demand and traffic on your own network.

Many households now, lets say a young family of 4, will likely have 20+ devices all competing for data; phones, tablets, alexa type stuff, TVs, gaming, sometimes smart heating / lighting devices etc. The factory supplied Virgin / Sky / BT routers can be pretty bad at handling this volume of traffic, so while reading 500mb/s the delivery can be patchy.

For a while now I've had the supplied router in modem mode, then used a mesh router with an ethernet switch to manage the network and generally it is far more reliable. If I switch provider, there is no change to my network so passwords etc. can all remain the same.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Y


You cant watch Sky Sports on the Virgin App, you have to use Sky Sports separately.

That's how it is with me too. The Sky Sports channels are inaccessible (not just iffy) on the Virgin app, I need the Sky app and use the "login as a Virgin customer" button.

As for the morality of it, I use a VPN when abroad to watch UK television, both Sky Sports and ordinary channels. I don't see an issue because I don't feel like Virgin have any right to restrict my personal use of what I have paid for.