[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ah but don't forget the 2017 election NEVER HAPPENED here on Centrist Dadsnet.

Well I remember. It was a great victory for Corbyn and Socialism, and the country has been a far better place for it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Centrist Dadsnet.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[abc]

Realistically, do you think there is anything that Starmer could propose that would excite someone who has decided to remain a member of the Conservative party, despite what's happened to it over the last few years

I read that post slightly differently. Starmer is not really offering anything different policy wise that is going to make any difference to the nhs, economy etc. But what I hope/believe he IS offering is a level of honesty, integrity and fairness. Right now if that’s all we have to vote for, I’ll take it

 

[abc]

What basic materials are difficult to find?

Not sure if it’s been resolved now, but last year there was a shortage of bricks. Concrete and steel were a huge problem too, apparently due to HS2 demand. Rather ironic under the circumstances!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not sure if it’s been resolved now, but last year there was a shortage of bricks. Concrete and steel were a huge problem too, apparently due to HS2 demand. Rather ironic under the circumstances!

Buiding supplies became tanked across the world (in the US, for example) with a knock on effect due to supply chain issues, as a result of Covid. This was something I and others initially blamed on Brexit but because it wasn't just a UK problem I was persuaded of the other explanation.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

It has been leaked that his speech today mentions the population feeling "downtrodden".

So Nicky Campbell has followed up yesterdays total fail of a phone (on whether we will declare paying our cleaners after new tax laws are brought in) in with "Do you feel downtrodden?"

So callers are saying "How dare he put words into our mouths?"

"He hasn't explained what he's going to do to change things!"

f*** me, it sometimes seems that this country doesn't deserve change. "Stick with Sunk. At least we know we are sunk with Sunk. With Starmer we have no idea what will happen!"

At least let the guy give his speech, FFS! But, even then – as seen with the Thatcher comment – it all gets blown WAY out of proportion. Sounds like NC is trying to go a bit TalkShite or Jeremy Vine by deliberately trying to start arguments...

 

[Is it PotG?]

At least let the guy give his speech, FFS! But, even then – as seen with the Thatcher comment – it all gets blown WAY out of proportion. Sounds like NC is trying to go a bit TalkShite or Jeremy Vine by deliberately trying to start arguments...

O'Brien has been doing it for years, it seems that it's the only way to get things rolling.

 

[abc]

With the fruit rotting down here due to lack of pickers (thanks to Brexit and a lack of native workforce willing to lower themselves for the money on offer) there are hectares available to build brand new cities in the South

Low wages for fruit picking etc was another Brexit myth. The issue was and remains, that UK residents don’t want to do physical work and you can’t pick fruit WFH.
We need to build more houses but we also need to produce our own food. Land formerly growing fruit or veg will now grow wheat etc. A difficult balance.

 

[stewart12]

Ah but don't forget the 2017 election NEVER HAPPENED here on Centrist Dadsnet.

The Tories still won the 2017 election despite having one of the least inspiring leaders imaginable and a massively divided party. It was not a great moment for Labour regardless of whether it was slightly better than the elections before or after it. Despite having quite a lot in their favour (remember Stormzy, "Grime for Corbyn" the supposed "youthquake", Theresa May who was either too brexity or not brexity enough getting knives in her back from her own party), the public just weren't buying into Corbyn enough

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Low wages for fruit picking etc was another Brexit myth. The issue was and remains, that UK residents don’t want to do physical work and you can’t pick fruit WFH.
We need to build more houses but we also need to produce our own food. Land formerly growing fruit or veg will now grow wheat etc. A difficult balance.

Land formerly growing fruit down here is being sold off for rabbit hutch house building.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

At least let the guy give his speech, FFS! But, even then – as seen with the Thatcher comment – it all gets blown WAY out of proportion. Sounds like NC is trying to go a bit TalkShite or Jeremy Vine by deliberately trying to start arguments...

NC has nothing to discuss any more. I used to love his phone ins, but he has gone from topical, to recycling topics, to now picking on niche issue popping up the day before. Few people phone in, and he ends up spending ages chatting with a paid expert. Half the callers are either incoherent (one this morning said she thinks labour are rubbish, citing their "plans for XL Bully dogs") or repeat callers ("I spoke to you last week"). Perhaps they should reduce the phone-ins to one a week. I remember when they ditched the dreary Diana Madill and brought in Campbell it was like a breath of fresh air. Now.....stale.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The Tories still won the 2017 election despite having one of the least inspiring leaders imaginable and a massively divided party. It was not a great moment for Labour regardless of whether it was slightly better than the elections before or after it. Despite having quite a lot in their favour (remember Stormzy, "Grime for Corbyn" the supposed "youthquake", Theresa May who was either too brexity or not brexity enough getting knives in her back from her own party), the public just weren't buying into Corbyn enough

It was a hung Parliament which was why Theresa May had to 'bribe' the DUP to help her out.

Results of the 2017 General Election

Up to the minute results in the 2017 General Election from BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[stewart12]

It was a hung Parliament which was why Theresa May had to 'bribe' the DUP to help her out.

Results of the 2017 General Election

Up to the minute results in the 2017 General Election from BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm aware of that

The Tories still won and were still in government, which allowed them to carry on running the country, none of the DUP lot were in cabinet positions or anything like that.

It was still a loss for Labour

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The speech is devoid* of sound bites so far. Deliberately measured, complex and nuanced.

Dull. No details. Just philosophy.

It won't win over the woman on R5 who opposes Labour's plans for XL Bully dogs. But I'm not sure that I care.

*renewal with labour. That's our future and this year we will be getting it back.

Never once said whatever it was Nicky Campbell has been pedaling on his phone it (can't even remember what he said). Funny old world.

 

[Gwylan]

This just reminded me of an anecdote I was told many years ago while working with a bunch of electrical engineers at National Grid (who were rather older than me).
The Student Union at the university (I think Bradford) was dominated by the sort of student who actually cared about student politics. In other words, weirdos.
Anyway, they would occasionally pop up at the union bar and harangue the engineering students about the importance of showing solidarity with the working man. Which the engineers would ignore and block out by getting as pissed as possible as quickly as possible.
One day, the union rep appeared and announced
"Comrades, the cleaning and catering staff at the University are being oppressed! We must show solidarity with them!"
"Yeah sure mate."
"To raise funds for the noble cause, we've decided to add a 5p* surcharge to the price of a price of a pint at the Union Bar"
"Yeah su- wait, what?"

The vote that rejected that motion was voted on by near enough every member of the engineering faculty and was rejected by an enormous margin.

No, there wasn't any point to me sharing this story.


*I've taken a wild guess at what surcharge they'd have added in whatever year this was, some time around 1980.

This is absolute bollocks. I was at Bradford in 1980 and there were no weirdo student politicians in the late 70s/early 80s. Conservatives occasionally were elected (in fact, one year, the FCS swept the board and won every single position). And although most politicians were of the left, they were generally pretty moderate - Labour party, rather than the SWP, WRP or Militant. The most radical change was changing the name of the student union bar to the Steve Biko Bar, but that was scarcely weirdo.

And, while I wasn't involved in student politics myself, I was editor of the university newspaper and was well aware of what was going on at council meetings. There was no proposal to raise bar prices 'in solidarity' (or for any other reason)

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm aware of that

The Tories still won and were still in government, which allowed them to carry on running the country, none of the DUP lot were in cabinet positions or anything like that.

It was still a loss for Labour

That depends on how you look at it. Any votes in the House could've been defeated by the Oppositon parties.
Labour gained 30 seats, and the Tories lost 21.
The official result was Hung Parliament. No Overal Control.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This is absolute bollocks. I was at Bradford in 1980 and there were no weirdo student politicians in the late 70s/early 80s. Conservatives occasionally were elected (in fact, one year, the FCS swept the board and won every single position). And although most politicians were of the left, they were generally pretty moderate - Labour party, rather than the SWP, WRP or Militant. The most radical change was changing the name of the student union bar to the Steve Biko Bar, but that was scarcely weirdo.

And, while I wasn't involved in student politics myself, I was editor of the university newspaper and was well aware of what was going on at council meetings. There was no proposal to raise bar prices 'in solidarity' (or for any other reason)

Different experience for me in the late 70s in London (not the LSE). Our student union raised a load of money for the FSLN (Sandinistas). A pal of mine was 'Ents' VP. He told me that having raised the money they then didn't know what to do with it. Eventually they used it.....to buy themselves some drugs

I went to a few meetings back in the day, and the committee were experts at 'talking out' motions they didn't like so there was 'no time left' for a vote. Very crafty.

One of the committee members, however, did open my eyes to sexism in advertising. All those ads about Fairy Liquid making your hands soft, 'housewives' doing the shopping and cleaning, etc. Double Diamond? "I don't drink it myself, but I like the men who drink it" All hidden in plain sight and an eye opener when it was explained to me properly, a whey-faced yoof.

 

[stewart12]

That depends on how you look at it. Any votes in the House could've been defeated by the Oppositon parties.
Labour gained 30 seats, and the Tories lost 21.
The official result was Hung Parliament. No Overal Control.

it does depend on how you look at it yes.

I'm looking at it from:

Who were the largest party: Tories
Who held all of the cabinet positions: Tories
Who were in control of the country: Tories
Who were in opposition: Labour

This was not a win for Labour or Corbyn. This was despite a well run campaign (FAR better run the the Tory campaign) and a concerted effort to get rid of the Tories from all opposition parties. The public weren't buying into Corbyn enough for them to win an election, that's fact. Labour were never once ahead of the Tories in the polls around this time despite how unpopular Theresa May was as a leader. Corbyn could read out all the poetry at Glastonbury as he wanted, he could get all the top musicians behind him, it didn't matter. He wasn't able to convince the wider public, simple as that (and btw I voted Labour in 2017).

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

This is absolute bollocks. I was at Bradford in 1980 and there were no weirdo student politicians in the late 70s/early 80s. Conservatives occasionally were elected (in fact, one year, the FCS swept the board and won every single position). And although most politicians were of the left, they were generally pretty moderate - Labour party, rather than the SWP, WRP or Militant. The most radical change was changing the name of the student union bar to the Steve Biko Bar, but that was scarcely weirdo.

And, while I wasn't involved in student politics myself, I was editor of the university newspaper and was well aware of what was going on at council meetings. There was no proposal to raise bar prices 'in solidarity' (or for any other reason)

OK, it wasn't Bradford then. Chill out.

Edit: Anybody involved in student politics is, by definition, a weirdo. The specifics of what party or policies they believe in are neither here nor there.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Starmer's speech and Q&A this morning.

He's doing very well.

I think he'll make a fine Prime Minister