Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
I mention elements of, not the whole Tory party. It’s not difficult.
[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10
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Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
That was purely down to corbyn. This lot are on another level entirely.
It's not the same when you have been the government for 13 fairly chaotic years. Far too many policy and individual failures, high profile Tories with bad stories, scores to settle etc... I would be amazed it the Tories are electable in 2028-9... it would have to have been a spectacularly shambolic Labour govt for that to be the case, and some unexpectedly high quality and charismatic leadership from somewhere.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I'd be interested to know what you think the main reasons behind this current shit show are. I'm guessing that you are in contact with and chat to other members (you mention your local MP). Was there any point where you (or they) could see this coming and thought the party should have taken a completely different path ?
Picking Liz Truss FFS when there was a choice of grown-up politicians like Sunak, Hunt, or possibly Javid. But I still think it was a losing battle by then. That was just the nail in the coffin. And yes I know, they can all be picked to pieces if that's your thing, but surely had to be a better choice at the time?
Brian Fantana
Well-known member
As an aside, what we’ll never know is how the government would have performed during this electoral term had there not been the Covid crisis?
What sort of policies and projects would have been delivered?
- Jul 10, 2003
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I do remember your views on Truss
And I agree that was the final nail as the party had already been stolen from traditional conservatives long before then (the vote for Truss simply being the confirmation, if any were needed). I have my own views as to when this started, but was interested to hear yours.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Which begs the question why he was elected as leader. They learnt nothing from Miliband
jordanseagull
Well-known member
- Feb 11, 2009
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Absurd. And an insult on those who suffered at the hands of actual Nazis.
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Well it’s not like the other parties are any better. Clegg for the LD’s and every Tory PM for the last 13 years.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,795
If you really want to vote for the cabal yet again, despite what they've done for the average cabbie in the UK in 2023, just do it, it's your vote. I'm sure that Johnson, Truss and Sunak had people like you at the top of their priorities
You really don't have to look so desperate or justify it to anyone. It worked out great last time
And knowing you prefer a picture to actual words
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The Nazi party, originally called National Socialists, didn’t start off as evil. It was step by very slow step in the 1920s, gradually getting the public to believe rampant inflation and poverty were deliberate actions. It fostered a blame culture, and divisions.
Look at the elements in Tufton Street, or Think Tanks as the media call them.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
You keep perpetrating this. Ed Miliband is the best PM we never had: look at their 2015 manifesto (or are you more interested in how he ate a bacon sandwich?). It's because of views like this that we've ended up with Brexit, Johnson, Truss, Gavin Williamson as Education Secretary, Failing Grayling, and longstanding Tories on here confessing that there's only one or two achievements of the past 13.5 years of government.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Nah. They had a putsch in 1923, and were beating people up in the streets later that decade. The comparison between the Nazis and the Tories -- even their most recent iterations -- is way off the mark.
rogersix
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2014
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he's just desperately looking for an excuse to vote tory; soon, they will crawling out of the woodwork
Weststander
Well-known member
The National Socialist German Workers' Party from their beginning in 1920 were explicitly antisemitic, promoted race theories/eugenics, were anti-liberal and sought a greater empire. Hitler spoke of “the Jewish Question”. By 1922 the first political/Jewish murders were undertaken.
Weststander
Well-known member
Great minds! [Or just bothering to know about or checking timelines].
Ironically, as a labour member, my perspective is less optimistic. Labour will have the post Brexit Irish border to sort out. It will also have to deal properly with the need to 'resolve' the 'boats' issue, which means spending money. Both problems are currently intractable by the current no-spend approach, and unless both problems can be fixed without any concessions to the EU, 'weakening' of our 'controls', or the spending of any money, then the Mail, Sun, internet echo chamber sewers, and the white van man network will be up in arms, with 'betrayal' in one clenched fist and 'loony left' in the other.
And then there is the tanking economy, the tanking of the NHS, the chronic staff shortages that have resulted directly from our anti foreigner stance and increased red tape since we left the EU, the pot-holed roads, the shitty trains and the soaking of the population by privatized utilities to fix. More money will need to be spent. Boo!
And that's before we get onto the culture wars, the war against transgender wokism, and the chalice of low taxes.
And then there are the smears (how Starmer has spent his life actively seeking to pardon child killers and make paedophilia legal).
Finally, the public gets bored quickly by dull competent bureaucrats. The lure of the Johnson cheeky smile will draw us from the plangent after a few years, and we will all tumble into the pit marked 'f***ed' again.
- Oct 17, 2008
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You’re very tiresome, you know that don’t you? You wear it like a badge of honour.