[News] Simulation, Surely?

[Stat Brother]

If he was stupid/arrogant enough to turn down the offer of a driver awareness day (which admittedly iis a pretty dull and boring way to spend a day, plus about a hundred quid) he deserves everything he got.

There's no "if".

I found the speed/driver awareness course both thought provoking and enlightening.
It certainly changed my driving habits, for the better.

I doubt the same could be said for the taxi driver who also attended.
He was adamant he was forced into speeding by the circumstances around him and argued every aspect of the course, throughout the day.

I'll hazard a guess he had points on his license within 12 months of his attendance.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Cyclists shouldn't be on narrow roads. They should be confined to wide roads, so that the car drivers have enough space to safely pass them at high speed.

Take cover Eric…….

 

[The Clamp]

Too many JCL’s from towns taking up cycling. Few of them know that country lanes are full of bumpkins bombing around in Landy’s basically barging their way through. Anyone who’s a bit canny would have flipped them the finger and carried on with their day.
Or tucked in and stopped until the car passed.
Silly cow didn’t even know how to unclip. Which is the ONLY reason she went over.
It’s really not unusual or a big deal. To be fair, he wasn’t going that fast and he gave them room. Not sure what their issue is tbh. Another case of middle class townies thinking the world should adapt to suit them. Getting the driver prosecuted is a dick move.

Be dangerous, it’s careful out there.

 

[Eric the meek]

Take cover Eric…….

****puts on tin hat and runs away at top speed****

 

[zeemeeuw]

I must be missing something because Dont know why she fell off, How this can justify a £1k fine and 5 points

He wasn't fined because she fell off, he was charged with driving without due care and attention, not ABH. Let's be honest he drove past those cyclists with utter contempt, presumably because they're annoyingly slow, have committed crimes against fashion and shouldn't have been on his road. In fact it seems he was offered a driver awareness course and a £100 fine but oh no, his arrogance continued and he declined this reasonable offer. Got what he deserved, is it so hard just to give a little respect to your fellow man?

 

[DavidRyder]

The car didn't seem to be going that fast, he even mounted the grass to give them space. I suspect the cyclist fell over because of the actions of the bike in front, or her own.

 

[amexer]

Dont think this is the greatest example. Police once had footage had to do something. Rather then prosecute they gave him a get out by offering a chance to go on an awareness course. Understandably by turning this down it wound courts up who rightly dished out max fine and points
However I still dont understand how she fell off

 

[The Clamp]

Dont think this is the greatest example. Police once had footage had to do something. Rather then prosecute they gave him a get out by offering a chance to go on an awareness course. Understandably by turning this down it wound courts up who rightly dished out max fine and points
However I still dont understand how she fell off

She fell off because rather than cycling on and staying upright she chose to stop and be outraged. Because she didn’t manage to unclip from her pedals, she toppled over .

Should have carried on, she probably made herself late for picking up Imogen and Milo from after-school yoga club.

 

[drew]

He wasn't fined because she fell off, he was charged with driving without due care and attention, not ABH. Let's be honest he drove past those cyclists with utter contempt, presumably because they're annoyingly slow, have committed crimes against fashion and shouldn't have been on his road. In fact it seems he was offered a driver awareness course and a £100 fine but oh no, his arrogance continued and he declined this reasonable offer. Got what he deserved, is it so hard just to give a little respect to your fellow man?

Makes you wonder whether the cyclist at the front should also be charged for just stopping without warning causing her to stop suddenly and lose her balance!!!!

 

[MJsGhost]

He wasn't fined because she fell off, he was charged with driving without due care and attention, not ABH. Let's be honest he drove past those cyclists with utter contempt, presumably because they're annoyingly slow, have committed crimes against fashion and shouldn't have been on his road. In fact it seems he was offered a driver awareness course and a £100 fine but oh no, his arrogance continued and he declined this reasonable offer. Got what he deserved, is it so hard just to give a little respect to your fellow man?

Exactly this.

It would be interesting to know if anything would have happened without the tumble, but the fact remains that he was in trouble for driving without due care and attention because he was driving too fast to safely pass the cyclists that close.
It's like a footballer getting sent off for going studs up, over the ball but not making contact with an opponent - there doesn't have to be contact to be considered endangering your opponent and therefore be punished.

In fact, in this case, it's like the player being given a booking, but then being sent off for dissent.

 

[Stat Brother]

Odd how people can't see the drivers role in this.
His speed and his close pass set the events in motion.

Everything that happened after that is as a result of his actions.

£1000 fine and 5 points to me seems harsh, but [MENTION=14054]MJsGhost[/MENTION] analogy is spot on.
He didn't get that specifically because of the driving offence, he got that for the driving offence AND not turning up to play his 'get out of jail free' card.

 

[Stat Brother]

Oh and as for 'clipless falls' they are a rite of passage.
All.cyclists have done it - twice for me.

 

[zefarelly]

Deserves everything he got. Initially pleaded not guilty but when prosecuted and presented with evidence pleaded guilty.

As the local RPU stated drivers should always give 1.5 m distance and pass slowly. He did neither

If he'd have stopped the cyclists would have scratched his farm machinery 'trying' to get past.

2 wrongs don't make a right but this looks like a no win situation.

 

[The Clamp]

Cyclists take themselves far too seriously hence their frankly embarrassing mental breakdowns when other road users don’t give them the deference they think they are entitled to.

 

[MJsGhost]

If he'd have stopped the cyclists would have scratched his farm machinery 'trying' to get past.

2 wrongs don't make a right but this looks like a no win situation.

Eh?

There is clearly room to pass without the bikes touching the landrover. There isn't, however, enough room for the landrover to safely (in the eyes of the law) pass the cyclists at that speed.

You'd also know better than most that there'd be a big difference in the severity of any scratch to his landrover, depending upon the speed at which any contact is made. If he's that bothered about a scratch on his landy, he'd be better off stopping so the 'collision' occurs at the speed of the bikes, not the combined speed of the bikes and his vehicle. If he's stationary, all blame would fall on the cyclists. How is that a no-win situation?

 

[zefarelly]

Eh?

There is clearly room to pass without the bikes touching the landrover. There isn't, however, enough room for the landrover to safely (in the eyes of the law) pass the cyclists at that speed.

You'd also know better than most that there'd be a big difference in the severity of any scratch to his landrover, depending upon the speed at which any contact is made. If he's that bothered about a scratch on his landy, he'd be better off stopping so the 'collision' occurs at the speed of the bikes, not the combined speed of the bikes and his vehicle. If he's stationary, all blame would fall on the cyclists. How is that a no-win situation?

IMO, the attitude of the cyclists suggests they'd have whacked the LR regardless just for being on the road.

the falling off bit is hillarious.

I do agree the LR was going too fast.

Too many cyclists do take themselves far too seriously and are frankly nothing more than an itinerant irritant to other path & road users.

 

[Triggaaar]

The video doesn't fully show the lead cyclist as the angle changes, though it appears the most likely reason the middle cyclist fell over, is due to the lead cyclist abruptly stopping or slowing, causing the middle cyclist to lose balance and fall.
However, as the video does not clearly show that was the case, the fault legally will always be with the car/driver.

So the evidence (in your opinion) shows that the most likely cause of the cyclist falling over is due to the lead cyclist abruptly stopping, but because it's not totally clear, the fault is with the car driver? Ok

 

[Triggaaar]

If you scare the s*** out of another road user you are not acting with reasonable consideration. Case closed.

It's not totally in the control of anyone whether or not another road user gets scared. Some people scare easily.

 

[MJsGhost]

Cyclists take themselves far too seriously hence their frankly embarrassing mental breakdowns when other road users don’t give them the deference they think they are entitled to.

I'm not even a cyclist, so I'm not sure why I'm getting drawn into this (other than perhaps because there are so many weak arguments to pick holes in).

I think a LOT of cyclists do take themselves far too seriously. Head-to-toe lycra in team colours for some fat 50-something leaves me cold - I have absolutely no idea why shaving a few seconds off their time and spending a load of cash so they can be covered in logos that professional cyclists are PAID to wear is more important than not looking like a be||end, but there you go.

What I do understand is why cyclists might be keen for the laws in place to protect their safety to be observed (and therefore a little tetchy when they are not).

Most other road users are afforded the luxury of a massive metal cage to protect them. Cyclists are comparatively vulnerable. Any 'coming together' has way more potential for the cyclist to suffer harm, or even lose his/her life - it's not a fair match-up. Those in the more dangerous (to others) vehicle, need to be extra conscious of the danger they pose to the more vulnerable road user.

It's like playing football with a few kids involved - as a full-sized adult, you take more care due to the physical mis-match and the potential to do harm to the kids, rather than fly into tackles that you otherwise might have made.

 

[Eric the meek]

I think the cyclist who fell off is guilty of cycling without due care and attention.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/I/crossheading/cycling-offences-and-cycle-racing

Rule 29. - Careless, and inconsiderate, cycling.
'If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.'

If you fall into a ditch, when your fellow cyclists don't fall into a ditch, that is cycling without due care and attention. Open and shut case.