[Politics] Should Lewis Hamilton be knighted?

[Guinness Boy]

In your own way you are actually worse. There has been an awful lot of rubbish written on this thread such as lumping Lewis in with Phil "the Caravan nonce" Taylor in the potential Knighthood category or saying that he had stuff handed to him on a plate which is patently nonsense. I've called that out and you can read it. That said, it doesn't mean that the authors are racist. They might be talking bollocks in my view but that is not the same thing.

Crying "racist" at everyone dumbs the debate down into name calling. I can't stand Meghan Markle for instance (probably a bad example as the poor cow has had a miscarriage this week). It's not because she is black but because she strikes me as a monumental pain in the backside who wants to be a Princess but doesn't want to wave at the great unwashed as the price to pay. That isn't racist. It means I don't like her albeit I'm not sure she would be bothered what I think. Equally, I'm sure there are people out there who don't like someone who jets around the planet driving cars extremely quickly saying we should become Vegan to er, save the planet from C02. My personal view is that Lewis is one of the top 5 drivers of all time and should be decorated in the same way Andy Murray has. Of course he has flaws but show me someone who hasn't. People can debate that and not agree with it but throwing out "Racist" at every opportunity just degenerates this into a bear pit bound shit fest that this has become when amongst all that there are some pretty well informed and worth reading posts.

What is your opinion on Hamilton the driver and his achievements? All I see from you is that you can't wait to get stuck into the insults.

It's interesting that only the resident racist fairy has thumbed this up so far as it is mostly spot on.

The colour of your skin should never make you more or less susceptible to criticism. If you're a bellend, then you're a bellend. Jay Z springs to mind more than Megan (more of that in a sec) to me but take your pick. You should also be able to defend someone you truly believe in without resorting to insults. However, three things:

1) Back to Megan. Since you don't know her personally you a relying on an image portrayed by the media and largely fed to them by the establishment. Can you really say none of that is racially motivated? I mean, we're talking about Prince "slitty eyed" Philip here.

2) If you begin to defend someone like Lewis, and perfectly reasonable and, in fact, perfectly obvious rebuttals get you nowhere then it's inevitable you start to look for other motivations. And there are one or two doing just that on this thread.

3) Irrespective of this thread, an awful lot of hatred for Hamilton sprang up online around the time he embraced BLM. And, if you don't believe that black lives matter, what are you? Altogether now.....a.......

 

[Bold Seagull]

Job done, and Knocked off early for xmas, . no one wants to go to the last two shit holes on Tilke tracks anyway.

Maybe, but I think LH very much sees the end of his career not too far down the line, and he wants every statistic he can get his hands on; poles, race wins, race win %, no. of race wins at each track, fastest laps, no. of F1 laps leading etc. etc. He wants it all, and he wants to go big numbers so no one is matching him in his lifetime. He outwardly plays it's all about the team, thanking the factory, never thinks about anything but the next race, doesn't think about the numbers - my own opinion, he doesn't just think about the numbers, he obsesses over them, is still driven by getting the next statistic. Far from taking an early brake (pun), he's probably genuinely gutted.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Maybe, but I think LH very much sees the end of his career not too far down the line, and he wants every statistic he can get his hands on; poles, race wins, race win %, no. of race wins at each track, fastest laps, no. of F1 laps leading etc. etc. He wants it all, and he wants to go big numbers so no one is matching him in his lifetime. He outwardly plays it's all about the team, thanking the factory, never thinks about anything but the next race, doesn't think about the numbers - my own opinion, he doesn't just think about the numbers, he obsesses over them, is still driven by getting the next statistic. Far from taking an early brake (pun), he's probably genuinely gutted.

I think 2 poles in the last two races would have given him 100 in his career by the end of the season?

 

[blue-shifted]

Maybe, but I think LH very much sees the end of his career not too far down the line, and he wants every statistic he can get his hands on; poles, race wins, race win %, no. of race wins at each track, fastest laps, no. of F1 laps leading etc. etc. He wants it all, and he wants to go big numbers so no one is matching him in his lifetime. He outwardly plays it's all about the team, thanking the factory, never thinks about anything but the next race, doesn't think about the numbers - my own opinion, he doesn't just think about the numbers, he obsesses over them, is still driven by getting the next statistic. Far from taking an early brake (pun), he's probably genuinely gutted.

Yeh, totally, and he's looking at the Verstappen and (maybe less so) Le Clerc and thinking that whatever he sets is going to be chased down by two very good young drivers who started winning races younger than he did.

I actually believe that's his main motivation. A bit like Federer in tennis. If he keeps going, every race win and every championship he can eek out is not only going in his plus column, but isn't going in Max's

 

[Icy Gull]

Makes you wonder!

You should seek help for your bitterness

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You should seek help for your bitterness

I have to say he is not a bloke I would want to be mates with, but if he could look back and say sorry mouldy I have been such an arse to people through my career, i might forgive him.

The same would have been said to Moss.

Of course I wish him no harm, but he has a long way to match Sir Jackie, he has the time and the wealth to reach out and help many people of any skin type. I hope he does it, because let's face it he is in a great position to do so, but he doesn't need the media coverage to do it, just his cash and the right team.
Fannying around with fashion is just Hamilton all over, he should grow out of that very soon.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

It's interesting that only the resident racist fairy has thumbed this up so far as it is mostly spot on.

The colour of your skin should never make you more or less susceptible to criticism. If you're a bellend, then you're a bellend. Jay Z springs to mind more than Megan (more of that in a sec) to me but take your pick. You should also be able to defend someone you truly believe in without resorting to insults. However, three things:

1) Back to Megan. Since you don't know her personally you a relying on an image portrayed by the media and largely fed to them by the establishment. Can you really say none of that is racially motivated? I mean, we're talking about Prince "slitty eyed" Philip here.

2) If you begin to defend someone like Lewis, and perfectly reasonable and, in fact, perfectly obvious rebuttals get you nowhere then it's inevitable you start to look for other motivations. And there are one or two doing just that on this thread.

3) Irrespective of this thread, an awful lot of hatred for Hamilton sprang up online around the time he embraced BLM. And, if you don't believe that black lives matter, what are you? Altogether now.....a.......

1. I suppose my opinion is formed from the painful interviews where Megan speaks and Harry agrees. Harry has that look of someone that would say the moon is made of cheese if he was asked to. We've all had that mate that turned into an under the thumb, stay in bore whose other half hated the ground his mates walked on. She - rightly or wrongly - strikes me as that type who you'd punch the air in the delight when said mate tells you they've split up and take him out to get smashed and find someone better in that crap bar at the end of the pier. That said, I'd love to have heard what Prince Phil said about this is private and i'm sure a bingo card of racist terms could have been filled twice over.

2. The problem is people hate to admit they are wrong generally. As someone who scratches a profit out of gambling, re-evaluating what you do, where you are going wrong and when you are going wrong is all part of that but it's clear that this mindset is at odds from your average keyboard warrior who is determined to win the Internet (and as someone who has had 6 straight months in the minus figures, I'd be better off doing that now). There are a hundred topics on here where people won't see reason and a bloke in a car is no different to any of the others. Are people fundamentally racist? Bobby Zamora has been one of our most celebrated players of the past 20 years. I've never seen any hint of that being less because of his skin colour. Hamilton has never been particularly liked (no sports personality of the year for example). I'm sure there are people who exist that don't like him because he is black but I'd like to think that is the exception rather than norm - especially - on here. Perhaps I'm wrong but shouting racist but offering no views on his skills in a motor car suggests someone spoiling for a fight that is better off on the Brexit thread.

3. If this vaccine works and we get crowds back in, we will see how divisive BLM is. Imagine the reaction to the first knee in a Burnley at home game? My personal view is that the issues in the USA and UK are getting confused which creates ill will in some places. For example, I don't think that anyone seriously wants to defund the police in the UK but that gets misconstrued and ends up in a limited character argument on Twitter where you are either woke or racist. The lack of nuance in debate, followed on by name calling is no good for anyone.

 

[Weststander]

Maybe, but I think LH very much sees the end of his career not too far down the line, and he wants every statistic he can get his hands on; poles, race wins, race win %, no. of race wins at each track, fastest laps, no. of F1 laps leading etc. etc. He wants it all, and he wants to go big numbers so no one is matching him in his lifetime. He outwardly plays it's all about the team, thanking the factory, never thinks about anything but the next race, doesn't think about the numbers - my own opinion, he doesn't just think about the numbers, he obsesses over them, is still driven by getting the next statistic. Far from taking an early brake (pun), he's probably genuinely gutted.

I agree with all that, but I got the impression that LH wants to continue for a long time. In one brief trackside interview this autumn, I think "10 titles" was not dismissed.

Obviously father time will have the final say.

 

[Weststander]

It's interesting that only the resident racist fairy has thumbed this up so far as it is mostly spot on.

The colour of your skin should never make you more or less susceptible to criticism. If you're a bellend, then you're a bellend. Jay Z springs to mind more than Megan (more of that in a sec) to me but take your pick. You should also be able to defend someone you truly believe in without resorting to insults. However, three things:

1) Back to Megan. Since you don't know her personally you a relying on an image portrayed by the media and largely fed to them by the establishment. Can you really say none of that is racially motivated? I mean, we're talking about Prince "slitty eyed" Philip here.

2) If you begin to defend someone like Lewis, and perfectly reasonable and, in fact, perfectly obvious rebuttals get you nowhere then it's inevitable you start to look for other motivations. And there are one or two doing just that on this thread.

3) Irrespective of this thread, an awful lot of hatred for Hamilton sprang up online around the time he embraced BLM. And, if you don't believe that black lives matter, what are you? Altogether now.....a.......

And people who were angered by BLM, funnily enough seem also against a LH knighthood and suddenly very interested in tax matters.

 

[Guinness Boy]

1. I suppose my opinion is formed from the painful interviews where Megan speaks and Harry agrees. Harry has that look of someone that would say the moon is made of cheese if he was asked to. We've all had that mate that turned into an under the thumb, stay in bore whose other half hated the ground his mates walked on. She - rightly or wrongly - strikes me as that type who you'd punch the air in the delight when said mate tells you they've split up and take him out to get smashed and find someone better in that crap bar at the end of the pier. That said, I'd love to have heard what Prince Phil said about this is private and i'm sure a bingo card of racist terms could have been filled twice over.

2. The problem is people hate to admit they are wrong generally. As someone who scratches a profit out of gambling, re-evaluating what you do, where you are going wrong and when you are going wrong is all part of that but it's clear that this mindset is at odds from your average keyboard warrior who is determined to win the Internet (and as someone who has had 6 straight months in the minus figures, I'd be better off doing that now). There are a hundred topics on here where people won't see reason and a bloke in a car is no different to any of the others. Are people fundamentally racist? Bobby Zamora has been one of our most celebrated players of the past 20 years. I've never seen any hint of that being less because of his skin colour. Hamilton has never been particularly liked (no sports personality of the year for example). I'm sure there are people who exist that don't like him because he is black but I'd like to think that is the exception rather than norm - especially - on here. Perhaps I'm wrong but shouting racist but offering no views on his skills in a motor car suggests someone spoiling for a fight that is better off on the Brexit thread.

3. If this vaccine works and we get crowds back in, we will see how divisive BLM is. Imagine the reaction to the first knee in a Burnley at home game? My personal view is that the issues in the USA and UK are getting confused which creates ill will in some places. For example, I don't think that anyone seriously wants to defund the police in the UK but that gets misconstrued and ends up in a limited character argument on Twitter where you are either woke or racist. The lack of nuance in debate, followed on by name calling is no good for anyone.

Fair enough, good post and nicely open minded. You'll never fit in properly here

On point 3 there is a big difference for me between BLM the movement (in capitals) and the statement black lives matter in lower case. That's why I lower cased it in my last reply. Because Marxism, Antifa, defunding the police, all of these are divisive things that it is easy to take issue with. But the simple statement? Not so much.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So are these knighthood ceremonies done on Teams these days ?
Poor bloke has Covid.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/formula1/55142428

Edit; that’ll teach me to read the penultimate page of a thread before posting. My post is for those people who do the same and missed someone else breaking the news.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

And people who were angered by BLM, funnily enough seem also against a LH knighthood and suddenly very interested in tax matters.

Well that cuts me out, as I have said nothing about his tax matters.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well that cuts me out, as I have said nothing about his tax matters.

What I've gleaned so far from your 39 posts on the subject:
1. You know someone who might know someone who said LH is a bit of a dick. Like Stirling Moss was. Allegedly.
2. He should try going around in a slower car.

I know, I know, it can take 39 posts to get a point across, but is this about the gist?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I have to say he is not a bloke I would want to be mates with, but if he could look back and say sorry mouldy I have been such an arse to people through my career, i might forgive him.

The same would have been said to Moss.

Of course I wish him no harm, but he has a long way to match Sir Jackie, he has the time and the wealth to reach out and help many people of any skin type. I hope he does it, because let's face it he is in a great position to do so, but he doesn't need the media coverage to do it, just his cash and the right team.
Fannying around with fashion is just Hamilton all over, he should grow out of that very soon.

He has opinions but as far as I’m aware LH hasn’t been an arse to people, from what I can gather he’s been the opposite.
I’m no fan of his fashion sense but to hold that against him is pretty childish to be honest.

Sir Jackie was a pretty miserable compared with his contemporaries ( Graham Hill), but that doesn’t detract from the fact that he was a shit hot driver and also one of the main reasons that driver safety actually stared to become a thing.

TBH, if you are hurtling road a track at stupid speeds and being successful then you are going to be a bit different. How could you not be.


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[Deleted member 2719]

What I've gleaned so far from your 39 posts on the subject:
1. You know someone who might know someone who said LH is a bit of a dick. Like Stirling Moss was. Allegedly.
2. He should try going around in a slower car.

I know, I know, it can take 39 posts to get a point across, but is this about the gist?

39 posts are obviously way too many but when you get trolls trolling you and people implying and even saying I am racist it eats up a few.

1. Hamilton and Moss were both arses, the former can change that.
2. Knighthoods are not for sportspeople IMO
3. Sir Jackie is was an excellent driver and a bloody nice bloke, who loved his sports so much he wanted to save their lives and the sport, by making it far safer.
He deserves his knighthood for that.
4) A-listers like Hamilton should stay away from left-wing groups such as BLM and just promote equality for all colour skins and disabilities.
5) I could tell you enough stories about real heroes that would make Hamiltons climb to success look average.
5) haven't you answered that bloke who wants a price for some flooring yet? He is waiting you know.

That makes it 40 then because you are obviously counting.

He has opinions but as far as I’m aware LH hasn’t been an arse to people, from what I can gather he’s been the opposite.
I’m no fan of his fashion sense but to hold that against him is pretty childish to be honest.

Sir Jackie was a pretty miserable compared with his contemporaries ( Graham Hill), but that doesn’t detract from the fact that he was a shit hot driver and also one of the main reasons that driver safety actually started to become a thing.

TBH, if you are hurtling road a track at stupid speeds and being successful then you are going to be a bit different. How could you not be.


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Most of my reply would be above but just on the miserable-looking Stewart. He is a deep thinker and will be thinking of detail and sorting problems out, he is a gent as was Ken Tyrell. Unsung heroes Britsh motorsport is full of them, but Moss, in particular, was good at capturing the press, Hamilton is the same but has actually won some world championships, albeit in an almost unbeatable car for the majority of the time.


Yes, these guys are a bit different, but they are not all ********s.

 

[Weststander]

What I've gleaned so far from your 39 posts on the subject:
1. You know someone who might know someone who said LH is a bit of a dick. Like Stirling Moss was. Allegedly.
2. He should try going around in a slower car.

I know, I know, it can take 39 posts to get a point across, but is this about the gist?

LH drives for an elite F1 team, because he’s the best.

Toto Wolff and the other shareholders know everything there is to know about F1, naturally they would want the best driver.

The people here complaining that “he only wins because of the car”, as if it’s an injustice or an annoying bit of luck that befell LH, can’t comprehend how experts running the the best team would want the best.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fair enough, good post and nicely open minded. You'll never fit in properly here

On point 3 there is a big difference for me between BLM the movement (in capitals) and the statement black lives matter in lower case. That's why I lower cased it in my last reply. Because Marxism, Antifa, defunding the police, all of these are divisive things that it is easy to take issue with. But the simple statement? Not so much.

Indeed. Statement and meme.

And we already know the reaction of some fans to taking the knee. Not Burnley fans but Brighton 'fans' at the preseason game against Chelsea (according to posts on NSC)

 

[Bold Seagull]

39 posts are obviously way too many but when you get trolls trolling you and people implying and even saying I am racist it eats up a few.

1. Hamilton and Moss were both arses, the former can change that.
2. Knighthoods are not for sportspeople IMO
3. Sir Jackie is was an excellent driver and a bloody nice bloke, who loved his sports so much he wanted to save their lives and the sport, by making it far safer.
He deserves his knighthood for that.
4) A-listers like Hamilton should stay away from left-wing groups such as BLM and just promote equality for all colour skins and disabilities.
5) I could tell you enough stories about real heroes that would make Hamiltons climb to success look average.
5) haven't you answered that bloke who wants a price for some flooring yet? He is waiting you know.

That makes it 40 then because you are obviously counting.






Most of my reply would be above but just on the miserable-looking Stewart. He is a deep thinker and will be thinking of detail and sorting problems out, he is a gent as was Ken Tyrell. Unsung heroes Britsh motorsport is full of them, but Moss, in particular, was good at capturing the press, Hamilton is the same but has actually won some world championships, albeit in an almost unbeatable car for the majority of the time.


Yes, these guys are a bit different, but they are not all ********s.

I just click the views button, it tells you who’s posted what.

I love the fact you explained it all again. You don’t think sportsman should win a knighthood - fine, then go on to not just belittle LH as a driver, but F1 basically - it’s always been about the cars as well as the drivers. Jackie would undoubtedly put you straight. Not that you’d listen probably...

 

[Swansman]

If you give the title to the car (Sir Mercedes something) instead of to Lewis Hamilton, everyone would win.

1. No drama. No tax talk. No racism debate.
2. The car does a lot of the job and deserves something.
3. It would make Lewis Hamilton the title "Knight Rider" which is a lot cooler and more modern than the alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNyXYPhnUIs

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I just click the views button, it tells you who’s posted what.

I love the fact you explained it all again. You don’t think sportsman should win a knighthood - fine, then go on to not just belittle LH as a driver, but F1 basically - it’s always been about the cars as well as the drivers. Jackie would undoubtedly put you straight. Not that you’d listen probably...

It seems I need to explain it again, I am not belittling F1, and yes I am glad you agree it's a whole team thing, it's just the driver gets the plaudits and with his PR he gets lots more Hamilton branding.
Ask Jackie behind a closed door and he would say Hamilton thinks he is billy big bolloxsI

Stewart is one of my most admired sportsman of all time, like Booby Moore, no need to give it large, they just perform to the top-level in their job.


I am probably more qualified than most to answer this stuff, whether that makes me wrong or right, who knows.

I really hope Hamilton proves me wrong.