Should David Cameron resign?

[clapham_gull]

Fascinating reading this, especially some of the political blogs and little bits in the newspapers.

To give Cameron credit (however difficult it may seem), some of those who claim to be in the know are suggesting Dave was always very wary of the Murdoch press - initially wanting to go his own way. This reluctance to play ball - lead to luke warm coverage in some of the press prior to the election. Something which never quite rubbed off and he failed to "win" the election against some pretty poor opposition.

However, some within his camp (namely Osbourne) were pushing the other way - making their own contacts and encouraging Dave to take on an ex-NOW editor to act as his media guru against his better judgement.

His inability to grasp the issue initially (giving Milliband the upper hand) was a lot to do with a split with the Tory ranks - something Clegg is now taking advantage off.

No idea if the above is true, but it makes fascinating reading.

 

[drew]

The noose is tightening!!!!!

 

[NMH]

Politicians are a bunch of arseholes.

It sounds a simple statement that a schoolkid might think up - and it is about as accurate as the wisest scribe could state.
They are the people in a position to do. And they do, the least

 

[alan partridge]

I don't think all this political stuff is a good idea on a football forum. As a tory, heterosexual I'm starting to feel out of place on here. We all know the gay tag we're branded with and as a straight man its sometimes awkward to support the team. Now that I'm faced with socialist views too it becomes increasingly difficult.I don't want to hate any other Brighton fans but its hard not to when presented with some of the extreme views on here. Can we just stick to what we have in common? The love of a football team.

wtf

 

[Life's Observer]

I'M a long-standing Tory voter and I believe Cameron should either resign or be pushed out. There's too much of a stench associated with him and that's not good for someone who is supposed to be our political leader.

 

[Tooting Gull]

I don't think so. Cameron has made a poor judgment call, but you can't altogether blame him for ignoring the advice of a left-wing editor like Rusbridger.

I am pleased this has claimed a major police casualty as well as the NI executives, because for me the collusion there between papers and police is the single most actually damaging thing in terms of attacking democracy.

This phone hacking was clearly illegal, and the choice of some victims revolting (I don't include philandering celebs in that group) but there is a grey area somewhere about legitimate investigations. Most so-called 'great exposes' involve somewhere along the line practices that might seem distasteful, honey traps (as for Telegraph expenses stories), or other stuff.

I have absolutely no sympathy for bleating celebs like Coogan, Grant and Law. They have all used the tabloid press to push their careers, everything from interviews to quotes on their film posters.

If you don't want to get caught shagging around, don't do it. What the whole thing has shown (again) is that the public's antennae is more finely tuned to what is unacceptable than the press or the politicians. This had been rumbling on over celebs for years, people didn't give a shit, and it didn't stop them buying papers. When they heard Milly Dowler's phone had been hacked, they knew it was beyond the pale.

The posturing of Miliband is getting a bit embarrassing, you'd have thought Labour would actually remember that the vast majority of what has happened was on their watch. I don't recall them doing much to replace the abject PCC or send a message to Murdoch in 13 years.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I don't think so. Cameron has made a poor judgment call, but you can't altogether blame him for ignoring the advice of a left-wing editor like Rusbridger.

I am pleased this has claimed a major police casualty as well as the NI executives, because for me the collusion there between papers and police is the single most actually damaging thing in terms of attacking democracy.

This phone hacking was clearly illegal, and the choice of some victims revolting (I don't include philandering celebs in that group) but there is a grey area somewhere about legitimate investigations. Most so-called 'great exposes' involve somewhere along the line practices that might seem distasteful, honey traps (as for Telegraph expenses stories), or other stuff.

I have absolutely no sympathy for bleating celebs like Coogan, Grant and Law. They have all used the tabloid press to push their careers, everything from interviews to quotes on their film posters.

If you don't want to get caught shagging around, don't do it. What the whole thing has shown (again) is that the public's antennae is more finely tuned to what is unacceptable than the press or the politicians. This had been rumbling on over celebs for years, people didn't give a shit, and it didn't stop them buying papers. When they heard Milly Dowler's phone had been hacked, they knew it was beyond the pale.

The posturing of Miliband is getting a bit embarrassing, you'd have thought Labour would actually remember that the vast majority of what has happened was on their watch. I don't recall them doing much to replace the abject PCC or send a message to Murdoch in 13 years.

There's lots I don't understand about this. I know nothing about this arena, but why was Brooks admission back in '03, that they had paid the police not followed up ? Thiat's a big howler - which probably looks worse now given the recent revelations. Also, why should the police consort with journos anyway - yes, there has to be some co-operation in certain circumstances for TV appeals, searches etc., but why they should have any social contact is beyond me. It only leaves the police open to allegations - which they're now getting, warranted or not.

How many laws have (allegedly) been broken I all of this mess ? I've lost count. The carrot-top is going to gaol though, and serves her right for publishing all that crap over the years, and pandering to the lower-common-denominator.

 

[beorhthelm]

I'M a long-standing Tory voter and I believe Cameron should either resign or be pushed out. There's too much of a stench associated with him and that's not good for someone who is supposed to be our political leader.

begs the question, to be replaced by who?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

begs the question, to be replaced by who?

Red Ed

well, here's hoping.

 

[DTES]

I don't think all this political stuff is a good idea on a football forum. As a tory, heterosexual I'm starting to feel out of place on here. We all know the gay tag we're branded with and as a straight man its sometimes awkward to support the team. Now that I'm faced with socialist views too it becomes increasingly difficult.I don't want to hate any other Brighton fans but its hard not to when presented with some of the extreme views on here. Can we just stick to what we have in common? The love of a football team.

If this is serious, and not just a trip, it's quite possibly the most ridiculous - and depressing - post I've ever read on NSC.

I mean, really, where to start?! You feel "out of place" because you're a straight Tory?! How... odd.

I'm also heterosexual, but I have never found it the slightest bit "awkward to support the team" just because some Neanderthal opposition fans enjoy singing about us being gay. Why the hell would anyone?

And then you find it even more "awkward" because there are socialist views here?! Utter madness! And that's before we get to you "hating" other Brighton fans because of it!

If anything is making NSC (or supporting the Albion) difficult for you, it is your own intolerance.

Personally, I love that the Albion is followed by those on the left & right, and those who are straight, gay or bi. It's bloody brilliant that we all support the team together - and it's bloody brilliant that we can get together and have debates like this too.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I don't think Cameron should resign. The real wrongdoing is with News International and the police.

Just like the expenses scandal both Labour and Tory are culpable. Politically, it's better to hold up your hands, own up you got it wrong and move on.

 

[Titanic]

...Personally, I love that the Albion is followed by those on the left & right, and those who are straight, gay or bi. It's bloody brilliant that we all support the team together - and it's bloody brilliant that we can get together and have debates like this too.

What have you got against Transgender supporters then?

 

[beorhthelm]

Red Ed

well, here's hoping.

there's hoping and there's fantasy. for a start, Cameron resigning would lead to a Tory leadership contest and the winner of that would become PM. even assuming that they couldnt maintain the coalition and had to go to the country, do you really think Ed Milibland would be returned with a majority?

anyway, more likly Osbourne... carefully what you wish for.

 

[AGT]

So you want the other crowd back, you know, the ones that saddled this country with the biggest debt we've known and who managed to sell our gold when at rock bottom prices? This is a mess, I agree but no one has died...how many deaths lay at the feet of the Labour Party who took us to war based on lies...were you calling for them all to resign I doubt it.

 

[DTES]

What have you got against Transgender supporters then?

I humbly apologise. Obviously you are included

 

[The Large One]

Yates has now resigned.

 

[The Large One]

Fascinating reading this, especially some of the political blogs and little bits in the newspapers.

To give Cameron credit (however difficult it may seem), some of those who claim to be in the know are suggesting Dave was always very wary of the Murdoch press - initially wanting to go his own way. This reluctance to play ball - lead to luke warm coverage in some of the press prior to the election. Something which never quite rubbed off and he failed to "win" the election against some pretty poor opposition.

However, some within his camp (namely Osbourne) were pushing the other way - making their own contacts and encouraging Dave to take on an ex-NOW editor to act as his media guru against his better judgement.

His inability to grasp the issue initially (giving Milliband the upper hand) was a lot to do with a split with the Tory ranks - something Clegg is now taking advantage off.

No idea if the above is true, but it makes fascinating reading.

Are you intimating that it's Osbourne who should go?

Or do you think he will get a new post whenever the next Cabinet shuffle takes place?

 

[Falkor]

i dont see how Cameron can survive this now, but im sure he will stay in power, the only people that have come out of this well is Miliband and Brown i think.

 

[AGT]

Didn't most of this happen when Brown and Miliband were in power..

i dont see how Cameron can survive this now, but im sure he will stay in power, the only people that have come out of this well is Miliband and Brown i think.

 

[beorhthelm]

i dont see how Cameron can survive this now, but im sure he will stay in power, the only people that have come out of this well is Miliband and Brown i think.

eh? first of all, you contradict yourself, dont think he can survive but will stay in power

secondly, after a breif flourish, it became apparent that poor Brown was in bed with Team Murdoch just as much as Blair (and apparently more than Cameron), with close personal relations, which led him to do nothing though he now claims he was advised agasint (which implies weakness... dont buy that).

Miliband doesn't come out well, merely untarnished.