[News] Serious Question

[Lenny Rider]

So probably not the place for the usual NSC banter but it’s been troubling me all night.

Coming back from the Crem yesterday lunch time I stopped at the shops in Findon Valley, behind me in the queue all be it of quite a different appearance as I remember him (I had to look twice) was a local who was convicted of having over 600 indecent pictures of kids of his computer in 2014.

Despite the severity of his crime, pics were predominantly boys aged 5/8, and in court he admitted to being ‘addicted’ to child porn, he only went to prison for under two years but was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.

At 58 I’m fairly broadminded, I’ve had an varied mix of life experiences so not a lot shocks me, but as I said at the top of the thread this has been on my mind since yesterday.

First and foremost why have the front and actually lack of respect to come back to your former home?

This was 11.55am 3 and a half hours later these shops would have been awash with parents and kids from the Vale school, if he is living locally are the schools informed?

I know a number of people will think this thread is inappropriate,(And no doubt comment) and whilst NSC is predominately Albion based it’s always also been a broadchurch of opinions right across the spectrum.

I’m actually torn on this one, he’s clearly got to live somewhere and it’s perhaps a little blinkered that my opinion is so long as it’s not Worthing or even Sussex, but if he is, is the SOR a public document under the Freedom of Information act?

 

[wellquickwoody]

I get your point fella, and not everyone will agree with me, but, he has served his time I guess and he has to live somewhere. At least he is known in Sussex and is not just an anonymous face, perhaps this is marginally better than being an unknown in a different area with no one keeping an eye on him (apart from periodic checks by the authorities)? Tough one to find an actual answer suitable to most.

 

[Me and my Monkey]

Made me think of the Woodsman. Great film with Kevin Bacon that also asks a lot of questions.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Writing as a former Chair of School Governors, local schools would certainly be aware of someone like that who is on the sex offenders’ register living locally.

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

I get your point fella, and not everyone will agree with me, but, he has served his time I guess and he has to live somewhere. At least he is known in Sussex and is not just an anonymous face, perhaps this is marginally better than being an unknown in a different area with no one keeping an eye on him (apart from periodic checks by the authorities)? Tough one to find an actual answer suitable to most.

I tend to agree with you

 

[dazzer6666]

So probably not the place for the usual NSC banter but it’s been troubling me all night.

Coming back from the Crem yesterday lunch time I stopped at the shops in Findon Valley, behind me in the queue all be it of quite a different appearance as I remember him (I had to look twice) was a local who was convicted of having over 600 indecent pictures of kids of his computer in 2014.

Despite the severity of his crime, pics were predominantly boys aged 5/8, and in court he admitted to being ‘addicted’ to child porn, he only went to prison for under two years but was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.

At 58 I’m fairly broadminded, I’ve had an varied mix of life experiences so not a lot shocks me, but as I said at the top of the thread this has been on my mind since yesterday.

First and foremost why have the front and actually lack of respect to come back to your former home?

This was 11.55am 3 and a half hours later these shops would have been awash with parents and kids from the Vale school, if he is living locally are the schools informed?

I know a number of people will think this thread is inappropriate,(And no doubt comment) and whilst NSC is predominately Albion based it’s always also been a broadchurch of opinions right across the spectrum.

I’m actually torn on this one, he’s clearly got to live somewhere and it’s perhaps a little blinkered that my opinion is so long as it’s not Worthing or even Sussex, but if he is, is the SOR a public document under the Freedom of Information act?

Don’t think the thread is any less appropriate than dozens of others that appear on here…….certainly worthy of debate.

Very tricky one and not sure where I stand tbh. Guy has clearly served his time and must be given the right to return to a normal life. He’s probably on licence (or would have been for some time after release) and as others have said relevant local bodies will have been informed. He’s probably having to check in to the probation service regularly and may have restrictions on what he can and can’t do. All of that accepted, if my son was in his former target age range I’d be extremely concerned - can certainly see why it wouldn’t sit comfortably with anyone who knows him and his history.

Someone I knew well from Haywards Heath was similarly convicted in the 90s and jailed. As far as I know he’s never been seen again locally.

 

[timbha]

Not really sure what you are expecting here Lenny.

Ok, most of us in that situation would want to move as far away as possible where nobody knew or recognised you, be riddled with shame and remorse, and hopefully less of a threat to society following the prison term and education.

As others have said, it is better to “know your enemies and where they live”, and have confidence that the authorities are aware, monitoring, etc.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

So probably not the place for the usual NSC banter but it’s been troubling me all night.

Coming back from the Crem yesterday lunch time I stopped at the shops in Findon Valley, behind me in the queue all be it of quite a different appearance as I remember him (I had to look twice) was a local who was convicted of having over 600 indecent pictures of kids of his computer in 2014.

Despite the severity of his crime, pics were predominantly boys aged 5/8, and in court he admitted to being ‘addicted’ to child porn, he only went to prison for under two years but was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.

At 58 I’m fairly broadminded, I’ve had an varied mix of life experiences so not a lot shocks me, but as I said at the top of the thread this has been on my mind since yesterday.

First and foremost why have the front and actually lack of respect to come back to your former home?

This was 11.55am 3 and a half hours later these shops would have been awash with parents and kids from the Vale school, if he is living locally are the schools informed?

I know a number of people will think this thread is inappropriate,(And no doubt comment) and whilst NSC is predominately Albion based it’s always also been a broadchurch of opinions right across the spectrum.

I’m actually torn on this one, he’s clearly got to live somewhere and it’s perhaps a little blinkered that my opinion is so long as it’s not Worthing or even Sussex, but if he is, is the SOR a public document under the Freedom of Information act?

Under the child sex offender disclosure scheme a parent, carer or guardian can ask the police if an individual in contact with their child is on the register. Also it would be disclosed to an employer if the role someone applied for was subject to DBS checks.

I tend to agree with [MENTION=7631]wellquickwoody[/MENTION] on this, he's done his time, he needs to live somewhere, he's more than likely on the register which means police are going to be aware of his whereabouts etc and the local community might know enough about him that they can be careful around him too. Better than him living somewhere he is likely to be anonymous.

 

[METALMICKY]

Not really sure what you are expecting here Lenny.

Ok, most of us in that situation would want to move as far away as possible where nobody knew or recognised you, be riddled with shame and remorse, and hopefully less of a threat to society following the prison term and education.

As others have said, it is better to “know your enemies and where they live”, and have confidence that the authorities are aware, monitoring, etc.

Is totally the correct answer and I too would also query what answer Lenny might be expecting or potentially inviting?

All the responses have been considered and made sense. And as abhorrent as the crimes are to us thankfully nobody has waded in with the ' deaths too good for him' attitude. End of thread really. Sorry Ian

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

.. . And as abhorrent as the crimes are to us thankfully nobody has waded in with the ' deaths too good for him' attitude.

That’s what Twitter’s for!

 

[rippleman]

This article I found quite interesting

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbz...e-cured-and-its-dangerous-to-suggest-they-can

It appears that the overwhelming concensus (even amongst some paedophiles themselves) is that there is no "cure". If that is the case then a paedophile will always remain a danger to our children & grandchildren. Whilst the fella Harty refers to has "served his time" is it really worth the risk? Can we be absolutely certain that he won't reoffend or even escalate his offending? If we can't, isn't there a case for imposing indefinite sentences for paedophiles?

 

[Lenny Rider]

Is totally the correct answer and I too would also query what answer Lenny might be expecting or potentially inviting?

All the responses have been considered and made sense. And as abhorrent as the crimes are to us thankfully nobody has waded in with the ' deaths too good for him' attitude. End of thread really. Sorry Ian

Sorry Micky, please bear with me, always a lot going on with work etc, but this really has been preying on mind mind all night.

I know he's got to live somewhere, but iI couldn't beleive the brass neck of the bloke.

One factor, and I don't want to offend any on here as my Grandad was one for 55 years and enjoyed every minute of it, but the said bloke was/is(?) a Freemason, was that the reason for his lenient sentence?

After his admission re addiction, and I know of addiction in other ways, can he actually be cured?

I liked Coronas in 2014, I liked them far too much from 2017-2020, and I still like them now (in moderation), would it be the same for him with kiddie porn?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

This article I found quite interesting

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbz...e-cured-and-its-dangerous-to-suggest-they-can

It appears that the overwhelming concensus (even amongst some paedophiles themselves) is that there is no "cure". If that is the case then a paedophile will always remain a danger to our children & grandchildren. Whilst the fella Harty refers to has "served his time" is it really worth the risk? Can we be absolutely certain that he won't reoffend or even escalate his offending? If we can't, isn't there a case for imposing indefinite sentences for paedophiles?

You can't be 'absolutely certain' that any type of offender, won't reoffend.

 

[Swansman]

This article I found quite interesting

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mbz...e-cured-and-its-dangerous-to-suggest-they-can

It appears that the overwhelming concensus (even amongst some paedophiles themselves) is that there is no "cure". If that is the case then a paedophile will always remain a danger to our children & grandchildren. Whilst the fella Harty refers to has "served his time" is it really worth the risk? Can we be absolutely certain that he won't reoffend or even escalate his offending? If we can't, isn't there a case for imposing indefinite sentences for paedophiles?

There's most likely no cure similar to how there's no cure to other sexual paraphilias, as they are not diseases.

The thing with paraphilias however is that most don't act upon them. According to pretty much all research on sexual fantasies, raping/getting raped are the most common ones with quite a margin. This does not mean that half of the people in our society are going to go out and try to rape or get raped. The vast majority will just stick with their fantasies, and maybe satisfy it through watching related pornography. Paedophiles are however going to struggle to satisfy their needs legally - it is much easier for a porn actor/actress to pretend to be raping/raped than pretending to be 5 years old.

Child porn must of course remain illegal as it is impossible for the involved kid not to be harmed, unlike in every other kind of porn. However, it can not be overlooked that similar to how watching eg rape porn is very different from actually raping someone, watching kidporno is very different from actually acting on this paraphilia and abuse children. If the latter happens, I'm no stranger to locking them up somewhere for life, but IMO it is too cruel of a penalty for watching or wanting to watch it.

Of course, this is all very complicated to solve, but I think in the future, those having this (pretty ****ing nasty) paraphilia will - like the rest of us - going to be able to watch visualisations of their fantasies without anyone taking harm: technology is almost at the point where you can do entirely realistic videos (including pornography of all kinds) without any humans actually being involved. It also can not be ruled out that further advances in medications or other forms of mind control could allow us to shut down the part of the brain that makes paedophiles attracted to children.

 

[banjo]

Should there be restrictions imposed on release, that they shouldn’t be allowed within a certain mile radius of schools? Not sure how it would be policed though. This might be already in place?

 

[Greg Bobkin]

So probably not the place for the usual NSC banter but it’s been troubling me all night.

Coming back from the Crem yesterday lunch time I stopped at the shops in Findon Valley, behind me in the queue all be it of quite a different appearance as I remember him (I had to look twice) was a local who was convicted of having over 600 indecent pictures of kids of his computer in 2014.

Despite the severity of his crime, pics were predominantly boys aged 5/8, and in court he admitted to being ‘addicted’ to child porn, he only went to prison for under two years but was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 10 years.

At 58 I’m fairly broadminded, I’ve had an varied mix of life experiences so not a lot shocks me, but as I said at the top of the thread this has been on my mind since yesterday.

First and foremost why have the front and actually lack of respect to come back to your former home?

This was 11.55am 3 and a half hours later these shops would have been awash with parents and kids from the Vale school, if he is living locally are the schools informed?

I know a number of people will think this thread is inappropriate,(And no doubt comment) and whilst NSC is predominately Albion based it’s always also been a broadchurch of opinions right across the spectrum.

I’m actually torn on this one, he’s clearly got to live somewhere and it’s perhaps a little blinkered that my opinion is so long as it’s not Worthing or even Sussex, but if he is, is the SOR a public document under the Freedom of Information act?

Should've asked him.

I think you'll find it's quite common for offenders (for all sorts of crimes) to stay close to their previous home/location on release. Could it be the case that he stays around these parts so that people who know his background (professionals, not people who would want to do him in) can keep an eye on him and try and prevent him from repeating the same sort of things elsewhere in the country/world?

And no, I don't think curing someone's addiction to child pornography is comparable with easing up on a few beers

 

[Goldstone1976]

It also can not be ruled out that further advances in medications or other forms of mind control could allow us to shut down the part of the brain that makes paedophiles attracted to children.

On this point, do you think we’re close to having medications or other forms of mind control that could allow us to shut down the part of the brain that makes people believe in conspiracy theories?

 

[Swansman]

On this point, do you think we’re close to having medications or other forms of mind control that could allow us to shut down the part of the brain that makes people believe in conspiracy theories?

Well, how do you define "close"? It certainly isn't far away. With the help of further mapping of the brain along with the application of nanomedicine, yes it should be entirely possible to prevent people from mistrusting (or expressing mistrust in) powerful people and organisations.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

On this point, do you think we’re close to having medications or other forms of mind control that could allow us to shut down the part of the brain that makes people believe in conspiracy theories?

Yep, that's what Bill Gates has been working on with Big Pharma for ages. That and something to do with pizzas with CROOKED Hillary Clintz

 

[Goldstone1976]

Well, how do you define "close"? It certainly isn't far away.

I think your definition of 'close' is reasonable, though equally vague.