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[Albion] Security at Wembley last night .... Non existent



Justice

Dangerous Idiot
Jun 21, 2012
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Born In Shoreham
Not sure I agree, think the problems we faced from the 70s was it was ignored for too long and took root in the game to such an extent we put fences up etc etc etc. If you learn from mistakes of the past, I would say you need to address it pretty quickly, learn from it and how to prevent it happening again.

At 13 I went to my first England game at Wembley in 1988 for the Rous Cup v Scotland. I didn’t go again for years, maybe a decade or more the experience was that bad. I hope you and others are right and very few kids will feel like I did in ‘88 and be put off watching England for a very long time.
What can you really address here though??? Tournaments attract pissed up dickheads a long way off from the organised firms of the 80’s, 90’s.
 




Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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It wasn't a few others, it was hundreds if not thousands. If what I saw at our gate was anything to go by - multiply that by 10-20 gates... it was a lot of people
Official reports say a hundred or so managed to breach and gain access. If thousand had got in it would of been carnage inside as you would expect in an all seater stadium.
 


Springal

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Feb 12, 2005
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Official reports say a hundred or so managed to breach and gain access. If thousand had got in it would of been carnage inside as you would expect in an all seater stadium.

It was carnage. In the blocks around 108-111 fans were crammed in, many 2 to a seat. Saw with my own eyes on one gate alone there was more than 100..
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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London
It was carnage. In the blocks around 108-111 fans were crammed in, many 2 to a seat. Saw with my own eyes on one gate alone there was more than 100..
That may have been people just moving with their mates or for a better view ? .... I didn't stay in my seat.

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Springal

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That may have been people just moving with their mates or for a better view ? .... I didn't stay in my seat.

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Perhaps but you’d expect to see some spaces / empty seats.

Given we were in the official England end, it was very easy to spot who jibbed in - they were definitely not your typical England fan…
 




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Oct 8, 2003
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Older fans here come on you’ve seen it proper kick offs in the 80’s - 90’s and maybe 70’s for some. That was drunken behaviour and handbags yesterday.

When did this country get so over reactionary, reading Twitter yesterday people thought the Match would get abandoned because people had drinks in Leicester Square and a few others had a go at getting into Wembley without tickets :facepalm:

It isn't about then versus now. Times change. The only thing that counts is now.

Having these pricks on film all over the internet may or may not reduce our prospects of getting a WC in England. This may or may not be something people care about. For me, to be honest, I'm not that bothered. However, others are desperate for it and their cause will hardly be supported by this shithousery.

And it wasn't so many decades ago that giving the missus the occasion back hander was regarded as normal. And before that there was the rule of thumb. How far back to you want to go to reset what's 'acceptable'? :shrug:
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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Older fans here come on you’ve seen it proper kick offs in the 80’s - 90’s and maybe 70’s for some. That was drunken behaviour and handbags yesterday.

When did this country get so over reactionary, reading Twitter yesterday people thought the Match would get abandoned because people had drinks in Leicester Square and a few others had a go at getting into Wembley without tickets :facepalm:

When there are families and people paying big money for tickets it is unacceptable for 100 drunken idiots smashing their way into the stadium.

The organisers have let the genuine fans down here. The cost of adequate security is factored into determining the selling price of the ticket, so the organisers have short-changed the punters by not providing the security they've paid for.
 


Kinky Gerbil

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Jul 16, 2003
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How difficult would it have been for London (whoever arranges these sort of things) to cordon off Leicester square etc and make it a ticket only area fan park?

After the Germany game the chance of England being in the final was high, could have made plans then that came into play when we did make the final .

It would have stopped some of the mass unorganised groups
 




Pretty Plnk Fairy

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i didnt see any trouble but could have been because me and Pruning Fergus were to busy sending monky and banana imojis to the players who missed the penaltys, just for a laugh of course its just banter

Regards

DF
 


Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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i didnt see any trouble but could have been because me and Pruning Fergus were to busy sending monky and banana imojis to the players who missed the penaltys, just for a laugh of course its just banter

Regards

DF

Ahhh I wonder which moderator/ member is using this account today, come on don’t be shy [emoji6]


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Clive Walker

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Jul 5, 2011
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Older fans here come on you’ve seen it proper kick offs in the 80’s - 90’s and maybe 70’s for some. That was drunken behaviour and handbags yesterday.

When did this country get so over reactionary, reading Twitter yesterday people thought the Match would get abandoned because people had drinks in Leicester Square and a few others had a go at getting into Wembley without tickets :facepalm:

how would react if you and your kid turned up to the match, ticket in hand that you'd correctly paid out for only to find that a bunch of drunk knobs were in your seat without paying for them and it being impossible to get them moved.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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dwayne

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how would react if you and your kid turned up to the match, ticket in hand that you'd correctly paid out for only to find that a bunch of drunk knobs were in your seat without paying for them and it being impossible to get them moved.
Has there actually been any verified instances of this actually happening yet or is it more media BS?

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spoonie

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Apr 19, 2011
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Has there actually been any verified instances of this actually happening yet or is it more media BS?

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yep I was there and it was 100's if not 1000's going in without paying - pretty crap for the real fans when the cheapest ticket was 295 Euro
 




Springal

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Feb 12, 2005
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Has there actually been any verified instances of this actually happening yet or is it more media BS?

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Yes- happened to me. Said so after Germany game, and happened yesterday on much bigger scale.

yep I was there and it was 100's if not 1000's going in without paying - pretty crap for the real fans when the cheapest ticket was 295 Euro

Technically cheapest was 95 Euro, but point still stands
 


dwayne

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Jul 5, 2003
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London
Yes- happened to me. Said so after Germany game, and happened yesterday on much bigger scale.



Technically cheapest was 95 Euro, but point still stands
Fair enough. Didn't see it myself but don't doubt it. I paid 2500 for my ticket but moved to a different (empty) seat when the game kicked off. Think that's allowed :)

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Lindfield by the Pond

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Jan 10, 2009
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How difficult would it have been for London (whoever arranges these sort of things) to cordon off Leicester square etc and make it a ticket only area fan park?

After the Germany game the chance of England being in the final was high, could have made plans then that came into play when we did make the final .

It would have stopped some of the mass unorganised groups

Met a load of pissed up lads on the train up yesterday. They were in fine voice and good humoured at 13:00, but one was already pretty legless. None had tickets - they were just going for the crack. Hate to think what they were like come 22:30.
 






darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
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Met a load of pissed up lads on the train up yesterday. They were in fine voice and good humoured at 13:00, but one was already pretty legless. None had tickets - they were just going for the crack. Hate to think what they were like come 22:30.

Good point, has anyone explained why it was an 8pm kick off and not 5pm?

I’m assuming TV rights somewhere, as I can’t see any other good reason to have a late kick off!
 


Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,883
Almería
yep I was there and it was 100's if not 1000's going in without paying - pretty crap for the real fans when the cheapest ticket was 295 Euro

My ticket was 95 euros. There were a few people moving around and sitting in different seats but I didn't see any aggression or seat-stealing.
 


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