Scumbag [racist Charlton] fans

[Creaky]

I've heard plenty of fans (including Brighton) sing about Harry Roberts over the years. None of them are serving 18 months for it and having a 8 year break from football as far as I know.
I'm not defending them (as I assume Bushy isn't) but they certainly don't deserve porridge for singing a few songs.

It sets a very worrying precedent.

But in those cases were there others in close proximity, unable to move away as in being on a train, that felt "intimidated and feared there was a real and significant risk of violence"

 

[User removed 4]

To be fair, I shouldn't have accused bushy of defending them. But it felt more sympathetic than angry which surprises me. Do you care that they've been so harshly dealt with or are you suggesting that other crimes should have a more sever punishment?

Anyone singing that sort of shit is a pretty low human being as far as I'm concerned. I actually agree that the sentence is disproportionate compared with many others you read about. But to be honest, I couldn't give a rats arse what happens to them. It's not the harmless singing that really bothers me. It's knowing what they must be like. Horrible people who don't care about anyone else.

Absolutely I do, as Arthur said , it sets an extremely worrying precedent.

 

[Creaky]

Absolutely I do, as Arthur said , it sets an extremely worrying precedent.

How does it set a precedent

The Public Order Act has been in force for over 25 years and there have been inumerable cases of people being convicted and jailed for behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress to others.

 

[Footsoldier]

Ok then defend this type of behaviour then......

Don't see Muslims go to prison or even arrested for standing in the streets calling British soldiers baby killers and worse. Pick on football fans yet again.

 

[User removed 4]

How does it set a precedent

The Public Order Act has been in force for over 25 years and there have been inumerable cases of people being convicted and jailed for behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress to others.

the way its been interpreted , but you knew that really.

 

[Puppet Master]

Vile songs yes but jailed... really?

 

[daveinprague]

How can you burn a poppy in public or chant death to out troops in the UK but not be arrested?

The poppy burners were arrested.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nding-public-order-Armistice-Day-protest.html

 

[Footsoldier]

How does it set a precedent

The Public Order Act has been in force for over 25 years and there have been inumerable cases of people being convicted and jailed for behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress to others.

But doesn't apply to Muslims for calling for our soldiers to beheaded in the streets and calling British soldiers baby killers. Don't know about you but I find those remarks extremely alarming and harassment and distress but no arrests.

 

[Creaky]

Don't see Muslims go to prison or even arrested for standing in the streets calling British soldiers baby killers and worse. Pick on football fans yet again.

Again depends on the situation in which such behaviour is carried out - Muslims, (and others), have been arrested and charged with offences under the Public Order Act.

 

[Easy 10]

"What are you in for then ?"
"I was singing a nasty song on a train"

I'm with Bushy on this. These cretinous specimens of human effluence are clearly a complete waste of skin. But a JAIL sentence for publically displaying the fact that you are an offensive, moronic, ignorant bigot ? We're jailing idiots now for OFFENDING people ?

Wow.

 

[daveinprague]

But doesn't apply to Muslims for calling for our soldiers to beheaded in the streets and calling British soldiers baby killers. Don't know about you but I find those remarks extremely alarming and harassment and distress but no arrests.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...by-killers-says-words-were-not-offensive.html

 

[Munkfish]

Not sure what this has to do with football. the blokes are dickheads, however why the football banning orders? They might have been to a game, but it was not directed at a club or players, but are banned from football? seems a little harsh and once again football has been dragged down because of it.

What if these guys werent football fans, 1. would their sentances be as harsh? 2. would they have been banned from football?

 

[Creaky]

"What are you in for then ?"
"I was singing a nasty song on a train"

I'm with Bushy on this. These cretinous specimens of human effluence are clearly a complete waste of skin. But a JAIL sentence for publically displaying the fact that you are an offensive, moronic, ignorant bigot ? We're jailing idiots now for OFFENDING people ?

Wow.

No, we're jailing people for behaving in a way that caused alarm, harassmnet and distress to others as well, in this case, fearful of imminent violence.

 

[daveinprague]

If you are racist, in public...in this case, on a train...then expect to be arrested.
I would imagine it induced fear on ethnic minorities travelling on that train, having
drunk, chanting, aggressive young men being abusive towards them.
Having said that, I think fines would have been more appropirate.

 

[Working class pride]

The poppy burners were arrested.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nding-public-order-Armistice-Day-protest.html

Yep and well, this wont be popular but should they have been? I'm not so sure, it was their view, like it or not. They had a view, and there is the old poem about Nazi Germany, "When they came for the communists, I said nothing because I was a communist, ect ect, Then when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out". Just because something is offensive, like chanting at football or whatever, then whilst bad, I shudder that it becomes a matter for the police because someone has to make a call about what is offensive. I say this and well, these Charlton fans have no sympathy for me, and nor do the thousands of west ham fans who sing THAT song that.

 

[Creaky]

Not sure what this has to do with football. the blokes are dickheads, however why the football banning orders? They might have been to a game, but it was not directed at a club or players, but are banned from football? seems a little harsh and once again football has been dragged down because of it.

What if these guys werent football fans, 1. would their sentances be as harsh? 2. would they have been banned from football?

Now this I can concur with - it has little to do with football - these were just nasty intimidating individuals.

On the other hand I am glad that they have been banned from football matches, makes it less likely that I will come across them. Would be happy to see them placed on a general curfew when they are released.

 

[daveinprague]

Its funny how this has brought out all the muslim haters on the thread again, when Islam wasnt involved.

 

[User removed 4]

No, we're jailing people for behaving in a way that caused alarm, harassmnet and distress to others as well, in this case, fearful of imminent violence.

No , we really , really aren't.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...drinking-walk-free-after-attack-on-woman.html


****stands by for mealy mouthed defence of ridiculously lenient sentencing****

 

[Easy 10]

No, we're jailing people for behaving in a way that caused alarm, harassmnet and distress to others as well, in this case, fearful of imminent violence.

I'm not saying these tools shouldn't have been punished for their behaviour. But frightening people, or putting them in fear of imminent violence is not, in my opinion, worthy of a year or so in prison. Had they actually attacked someone then fair enough. But from what I've read, they were not about to attack anyone - they were just being a bunch of obnoxious twunts. Unpleasant, yes. Unneccessary, yes.

But worth being sent down for ?

 

[User removed 4]

Its funny how this has brought out all the muslim haters on the thread again, when Islam wasnt involved.

Its got nothing to do with muslim haters , they are just easy examples to use.