[Football] Safe standing trial for top two divisions approved

[Cowfold Seagull]

Which is exactly the point I made earlier; if people like you with a preference to sit (probably 80% of our fans) are included in a survey then the answer will always be no to rail-seating. However, if the questions were:

1. are you interested in standing and singing at matches?, and
2. would you buy a season ticket for a safe standing section of the North Stand?

Then you would establish how many rail seats to install in that section and everyone else can carry on as they are. What we would benefit from is some decent co-ordinated singing from the NS.

80% you say?, whilst l have no idea of the exact figure, my guess would be that it's an even highter percentage than that. Standing, as we knew it anyway, has been gone from Brighton since 1997. Most of our younger fan base have never experienced it. Times have changed.

Safe standing is dead in the water as far as l'm concerned

 

[faoileán]

Personally i think the Amex was built as an all seater stadium and that is how it should stay. However if some fans want it then they should pay the price for converting from sitting to safe standing.

So obviously you don't subscribe to the evidence that a loud partisan section of the crowd can lift a home team and promote better results. Better results are better for the club's league position and business. Currently those who want to generate an atmosphere are too widely dispersed in the North Stand and a rail seating section would offer the chance to concentrate them.

 

[faoileán]

80% you say?, whilst l have no idea of the exact figure, my guess would be that it's an even highter percentage than that. Standing, as we knew it anyway, has been gone from Brighton since 1997. Most of our younger fan base have never experienced it. Times have changed.

Safe standing is dead in the water as far as l'm concerned

Times did change, but they are changing again. Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham and Wolves have installed sections of rail-seating and it will be used from January 2022. If it proves a success (which it undoubtedly will) then it will be Albion who will be behind the times...

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

A nice city Sheffield, least ways it has been on my away days to Bramall Lane, have never made it to Hillsborough though, doubt l ever will now our clubs are seperated by two divisions.

It is a nice city, but I wanted to buy my first house and the affordable options are all miles from the centre or burnt out hulks that require loads of work. Anyway, I wouldn't worry about missing Hillsborough, the grounds and area around it are fine but they aren't anything special. We'll probably get a cup tie against them now I've moved away.

Anyway, as far as safe standing's concerned, I think it would be a nice option to have in a part of the ground, and personally I'd be happy to pay slightly more than I would otherwise to have a ticket in that area. I'm not tearing my hair out over it though, and I don't quite understand why some people (not you specifically) seem to get so wound up over the idea.

 

[Bodian]

If 'we' don't want safe standing, prefer to sit, etc, etc - why do the majority of our away fans stand?

 

[Easy 10]

So obviously you don't subscribe to the evidence that a loud partisan section of the crowd can lift a home team and promote better results. Better results are better for the club's league position and business. Currently those who want to generate an atmosphere are too widely dispersed in the North Stand and a rail seating section would offer the chance to concentrate them.

Sorry but thats bobbins. You might recall we had standing at the Goldstone, and finished 91st.

Rail seating in the North Stand still doesn't mean you can just go and stand where you want, so the fans in the North would still be just as 0dispersed as they are now - the only difference being they'll all have a barrier to lean against if they want to.

 

[Husty]

If 'we' don't want safe standing, prefer to sit, etc, etc - why do the majority of our away fans stand?

Because NSC is made up of bad fans and armchair fans (most of whom are also fat, elderly men who couldn't stand for 45 minutes). The proper fans that travel away do want a standing section

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Wonder if we’ll apply for a licence or not. Additional costs to instal units that will sell for less? Might not happen but I’d be in like a rat up an aqueduct.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sports/2021/09/22/premier-league-and-championship-clubs-to-trial-safe-standing-areas-from-january/

I’m sure the point must have already been made but these tickets would not sell for less. Prices are determined by demand and supply not comfort levels. If people want this they will have to pay for it. If they don’t it won’t happen.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It was satire about Brexit. I won't give up the day job.

I liked it

 

[dadams2k11]

Wouldn't bother me either way. We have stood at the back or the North for as long as I can remember.

 

[GT49er]

If 'we' don't want safe standing, prefer to sit, etc, etc - why do the majority of our away fans stand?

I think that will ultimately be the significant factor that eventually forces all clubs (or forces the authorities to enforce it) have safe standing areas - most of the away area, as away fans mostly stand anyway (with just a shin-high 'barrier' to protect them if they stumble) and an adequate number in the home stands - the club may need to do it's research. If 20%% of the fans want to stand, meet the demand; if only 10%, put in half the amount of safe standing. And then actually eject people with seats who won't sit down.

Personally I'd love to see the terraces back again - some of my happiest football memories are of bouncing up and down in a heaving crowd. But, to be fair, I'd also love to have the ability back again to be able to stand without pain for two hours or more - so sadly I'd be sitting in my seat somewhere else in the ground anyway!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I think that will ultimately be the significant factor that eventually forces all clubs (or forces the authorities to enforce it) have safe standing areas - most of the away area, as away fans mostly stand anyway (with just a shin-high 'barrier' to protect them if they stumble) and an adequate number in the home stands - the club may need to do it's research. If 20%% of the fans want to stand, meet the demand; if only 10%, put in half the amount of safe standing. And then actually eject people with seats who won't sit down.

Personally I'd love to see the terraces back again - some of my happiest football memories are of bouncing up and down in a heaving crowd. But, to be fair, I'd also love to have the ability back again to be able to stand without pain for two hours or more - so sadly I'd be sitting in my seat somewhere else in the ground anyway!

But none of that is happening. Barriers (or rails) will be waist high not shin high. People will still be in designated places so there won’t be any of the atmosphere of the old terraces.

 

[GT49er]

But none of that is happening. Barriers (or rails) will be waist high not shin high. People will still be in designated places so there won’t be any of the atmosphere of the old terraces.

Yes, I know barriers will be waste high. That is what safe standing entails. You appear to have completely misread my post!

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

I’m sure the point must have already been made but these tickets would not sell for less. Prices are determined by demand and supply not comfort levels. If people want this they will have to pay for it. If they don’t it won’t happen.

They might put it in eventually if they have to renovate a large section of seating at some point. The cost of the rails and flapping seat isn't that big, but it only makes sense to stick it in if you're already doing some work otherwise the installation costs would push the ticket price too high.

 

[sully]

Wouldn't bother me either way. We have stood at the back or the North for as long as I can remember.

Which is precisely why the stadium needs a safe standing area. Many people choose to stand when they are provided with a seat. Surely anyone can see that at every game we play.

The questionnaire issued a few years ago was cleverly worded to get the answer Barber wanted. There was nowhere to actually say “I want people who want to stand to have their own area so that I can see if I want to sit”. There would be no excuse for someone to stand in the seats if they had the option to buy a standing ticket.

The persistent standing at away games spoils my enjoyment completely, as my wife is too short to see. I don’t like having to go in the front row with her (and there’s not always the possibility anyway).

I’ve said all along that away standing areas are far more needed than home ones.

 

[pastafarian]

Put safe standing in, football is awash with money.
If you want to view from safe standing opt to do that as your choice, if you want to sit down then opt for that instead.

Going by the large numbers that stand when away anyway, there is sufficient home demand.

Oh and change the batcrap daft law so you can have a beer in view of the pitch.......like other sports.
Make that only available in safe standing areas though (extra revenue)..............wonder what the demand would be then.......

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes, I know barriers will be waste high. That is what safe standing entails. You appear to have completely misread my post!

Oops, just reread and you’re right

 

[GT49er]

Put safe standing in, football is awash with money.
If you want to view from safe standing opt to do that as your choice, if you want to sit down then opt for that instead.

Going by the large numbers that stand when away anyway, there is sufficient home demand.

Oh and change the batcrap daft law so you can have a beer in view of the pitch.......like other sports.
Make that only available in safe standing areas though..............wonder what the demand would be then.......

Yes, instead of doing surveys to 'prove' there is no demand for safe standing at The Amex, PB should simply send a minion out to count the number of people who are actually standing now!

 

[GT49er]

Oops, just reread and you’re right

No worries mate. Kick off time now - so time for a beer!

 

[e77]

So obviously you don't subscribe to the evidence that a loud partisan section of the crowd can lift a home team and promote better results. Better results are better for the club's league position and business. Currently those who want to generate an atmosphere are too widely dispersed in the North Stand and a rail seating section would offer the chance to concentrate them.

No, not really.