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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



Binney on acid

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I'm beginning to think, be careful what you wish for. Mr genocide could turn out to be a moderate, compared to some of the nazi psychopaths that would strive to replace him.
 






Eric the meek

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Proceed with great caution. There is no other independent sign that Putin is not still in complete control of events.

Possible reasons for it:

1. Solovyev has gone off piste. Unlikely.
2. His suggestion was 'soft', including 'imprison those at fault' i.e. Putin isn't at fault etc. Could be a fishing trip.
3. Putin is taking soundings for his planned departure. Possible, but not top of my list at the moment.
4. Someone else is in charge of Solovyev, and is offering Putin a way out.
5. Putin is 'pre-announcing his resignation' with no end date, to wrongfoot the opposition, take the heat off and buy time.

My money's on 2 and 5.
 


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I’d urge you to read the full thread because it is staggering. Not least in how blasé it all is.
 


raymondo

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Excellent analysis from Joe Bloggs of the destruction details at Toropets plus the two other recent hits.


The targeted damage Ukraine did here is astonishing! I'm struggling to get my head around the payload and accuracy needed from each drone to do this damage. I am happily astonished!!!!!
 
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raymondo

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I’d urge you to read the full thread because it is staggering. Not least in how blasé it all is.

It's excellent analysis from Conway, thanks for sharing.
Just shows that governments (UK and Germany mainly in this case) pay lip service to their own sanctions, knowing full well that their local manufacturers are benefitting from back door imports. Shameful really ☹️.
 






Triggaaar

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I'm beginning to think, be careful what you wish for. Mr genocide could turn out to be a moderate, compared to some of the nazi psychopaths that would strive to replace him.

The only way they can escalate is to commit suicide by launching nukes. What person wants to become leader of their country only to die shortly afterwards?
 




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Binney on acid

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The only way they can escalate is to commit suicide by launching nukes. What person wants to become leader of their country only to die shortly afterwards?
I'm no fan of Mr Genocide, but at least The West has had the opportunity to learn how to play him. We're up against a guy who isn't exactly a master tactician. We can play on Russian inefficiencies and ineptitude.
 


Triggaaar

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I'm no fan of Mr Genocide, but at least The West has had the opportunity to learn how to play him. We're up against a guy who isn't exactly a master tactician. We can play on Russian inefficiencies and ineptitude.

I feel that he's done a better job of playing us. We shouldn't have let him feel so in control prior to the invasion. And now he'll want to keep fighting. Any leader who replaced him would get instant credit from both Russians and the rest of the world if they withdrew and blamed everything on Putin.
 




Triggaaar

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Proceed with great caution. There is no other independent sign that Putin is not still in complete control of events.

Possible reasons for it:

1. Solovyev has gone off piste. Unlikely.
2. His suggestion was 'soft', including 'imprison those at fault' i.e. Putin isn't at fault etc. Could be a fishing trip.
3. Putin is taking soundings for his planned departure. Possible, but not top of my list at the moment.
4. Someone else is in charge of Solovyev, and is offering Putin a way out.
5. Putin is 'pre-announcing his resignation' with no end date, to wrongfoot the opposition, take the heat off and buy time.

My money's on 2 and 5.

Out of those, I'll guess 2.

For it to have been an off-piste suggestion would be suicidal.
 


peterward

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Proceed with great caution. There is no other independent sign that Putin is not still in complete control of events.

Possible reasons for it:

1. Solovyev has gone off piste. Unlikely.
2. His suggestion was 'soft', including 'imprison those at fault' i.e. Putin isn't at fault etc. Could be a fishing trip.
3. Putin is taking soundings for his planned departure. Possible, but not top of my list at the moment.
4. Someone else is in charge of Solovyev, and is offering Putin a way out.
5. Putin is 'pre-announcing his resignation' with no end date, to wrongfoot the opposition, take the heat off and buy time.

My money's on 2 and 5.
Or, deliberately said to flush out any 'disloyal' that may agree with the premise?
 


Eric the meek

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Or, deliberately said to flush out any 'disloyal' that may agree with the premise?
That's option 2

Did you notice the soft wording by Solovyev? "We should imprison those at fault (not Putin), but Putin may have to resign".

That suggests Putin was the author, and that as you say, it was to flush out anyone disloyal to him.
 


raymondo

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A broad (and rather depressing) view from Tatarigami, looking at the situation should Ukraine not get the security guarantees it requests.
For me, it probably won't get these guarantees and will have to fight like hell with it's drone air force to push Russia up against a wall .
 




Zeberdi

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The Clamp

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Sooner or later people are going to come to the realisation that we will be going to war with Russia.
 


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