[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Bloomberg report that Ukrainian drones have hit a Russian strategic bomber in the far north in the Kola peninsula near Murmansk in the arctic.

Is nothing safe in Russia from Ukrainian drones these days?

 

[Sirnormangall]

Bloomberg report that Ukrainian drones have hit a Russian strategic bomber in the far north in the Kola peninsula near Murmansk in the arctic.

Is nothing safe in Russia from Ukrainian drones these days?

So, given the distance from Ukraine, the drones would have been launched from within Russia?

 

[Eric the meek]

So, given the distance from Ukraine, the drones would have been launched from within Russia?

That is one scenario. The distance is 3000 km. A while ago, @raymondo pointed out there were many Ukrainians living in Russia. I googled it to find the 2015 Russian census puts the number at 5.8 million, or 4% of the total Russian Federation. That's around the same as Scotland or Norway.

Talking of Norway, we also mustn't forget that there are several Nato countries nearer to Murmansk than Ukraine.

 

[raymondo]

Have read that Russia's Kursk oil base was hit last night

More detail on that attack.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-oil-depot-kursk-region-fire-after-ukraine-drone-attack-2024-07-28/

 

[Eric the meek]

That is one scenario. The distance is 3000 km. A while ago, @raymondo pointed out there were many Ukrainians living in Russia. I googled it to find the 2015 Russian census puts the number at 5.8 million, or 4% of the total Russian Federation. That's around the same as Scotland or Norway.

Talking of Norway, we also mustn't forget that there are several Nato countries nearer to Murmansk than Ukraine.

Update: (nobody told me to measure distance in a straight line):

Kyiv flies drones 1,100 miles to hit Russian supersonic bombers at Arctic base

Tanks at oil storage depot in Russia’s Kursk region catch fire after Ukrainian drone raid

www.independent.co.uk

 

[raymondo]

F16 update https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/28/f-16s-ukraine-planes-war-russia/

 

[fly high]

Update: (nobody told me to measure distance in a straight line):

Kyiv flies drones 1,100 miles to hit Russian supersonic bombers at Arctic base

Tanks at oil storage depot in Russia’s Kursk region catch fire after Ukrainian drone raid

www.independent.co.uk

Nice video on there also talking about Ukraine moving closer to becoming NATO members.

 

[herecomesaregular]

F16 update https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/28/f-16s-ukraine-planes-war-russia/

Planes and tanks seem to be pretty useless in this war. It seems modern warfare is dominated by artillery > drones > infantry contact ?

 

[Triggaaar]

Nice video on there also talking about Ukraine moving closer to becoming NATO members.

Summary?

 

[raymondo]

Planes and tanks seem to be pretty useless in this war. It seems modern warfare is dominated by artillery > drones > infantry contact ?

Russia using their plane launched glide bombs to devastating effect sadly. But yes, drones absolutely critical.

 

[A1X]

Surely this is an obvious way for the west to go then? For the price of (e.g.) one Abrams tank (including fuel, maintenance and training) you could produce an absolute shedload of drones?

 

[raymondo]

Surely this is an obvious way for the west to go then? For the price of (e.g.) one Abrams tank (including fuel, maintenance and training) you could produce an absolute shedload of drones?

I think they're starting to move that way. I read a couple of weeks ago that a consortium of European countries were funding and/or planning to build drones for Ukraine.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Surely this is an obvious way for the west to go then? For the price of (e.g.) one Abrams tank (including fuel, maintenance and training) you could produce an absolute shedload of drones?

And war is going to move away from large expensive manned assets and move towards large numbers of smaller and soon enough AI assisted drones.

The bad news about this is that China are best placed to produce these at scale

 

[sparkie]

Planes and tanks seem to be pretty useless in this war. It seems modern warfare is dominated by artillery > drones > infantry contact ?

I hope our current strategic defence review gets it right.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Update: (nobody told me to measure distance in a straight line):

Kyiv flies drones 1,100 miles to hit Russian supersonic bombers at Arctic base

Tanks at oil storage depot in Russia’s Kursk region catch fire after Ukrainian drone raid

www.independent.co.uk

Thanks that’s interesting. As you say, some NATO members are nearer to Murmansk than Ukraine though I’m not sure they would stage/host such an attack currently. Which means, if launched from Ukraine, the drones would have travelled undetected across Russia for several hundred miles. More likely in my view, they were launched within Russia. Either way it must be worrying for Putin that it’s yet another reminder that Ukraine has such reach.

 

[Eric the meek]

Quick update on Russia's medal haul at the 2024 Olympics:

Gold Silver Bronze Total
0 0 0 0

 

[Eric the meek]

The prisoner swap was something else:

Hugs and tears as Evan Gershkovich and other US citizens return home

Evan Gershkovich, Paul Whelan, and Alsu Kurmasheva are greeted by President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in Maryland.

www.bbc.co.uk

Edit: just to add, that. is. not. Putin.

 

[raymondo]

The prisoner swap was something else:

Hugs and tears as Evan Gershkovich and other US citizens return home

Evan Gershkovich, Paul Whelan, and Alsu Kurmasheva are greeted by President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in Maryland.

www.bbc.co.uk

Edit: just to add, that. is. not. Putin.

Can tell it's not Putin cos of the minor detail on the ear lobe .
I'm waiting for Trump to say he'd have sorted this decades ago.

 

[Lethargic]

I hope our current strategic defence review gets it right.

For once the UKs approach to budget wars is working in our favour, a lot of the current research work is drone focused.

 

[essbee1]

Quick update on Russia's medal haul at the 2024 Olympics:

Gold Silver Bronze Total
0 0 0 0

And long may it continue.