[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Seems that there is substantial increased activity in the Orikhiv/Tokmak direction.

Yes.

Everyone should remember that things will be bad before they are good

 

[sparkie]

Murmurs of some nations thinking not enough help is being given to Ukraine, or not enough of the right type of help.
Poland in particular. Whispers of possibly putting troops into Ukraine.

I think that is further down the line after a ceasefire and as alternative to NATO membership.

It's a fallback position and has the advantage that countries like Hungary can't block it.

 

[sparkie]

Seems that there is substantial increased activity in the Orikhiv/Tokmak direction.

It'll be a heck of a fight to break through to Tokmak and then onto Melitopol.

Ukrainian armour will be destroyed and there will be videos of this. No battle was won without losses and a propaganda machine will amplify them.

Omaha beach was bad at the start.

 

[Triggaaar]

It'll be a heck of a fight to break through to Tokmak and then onto Melitopol.

Ukrainian armour will be destroyed and there will be videos of this. No battle was won without losses and a propaganda machine will amplify them.

This is true, but Ukraine will not stop because of some videos of failure, and I can't see the West stopping support either.

Slava Ukraine

 

[portslade seagull]

Now waiting for the Russian bloggers to share more pictures of destroyed tractors and combines and say they are Leopards

 

[Eric the meek]

Sean Bell making an interesting point:

 

[essbee1]

I wait to hear about the carnage that the Leopards will be creating amongst the retreating Russian "army".

 

[raymondo]

Intense fighting reported as Ukrainian forces go on attack south of Zaporizhzhia

Counteroffensive reported to have begun, with large force pushing assault against Russian positions

www.theguardian.com

 

[carlzeiss]

Now waiting for the Russian bloggers to share more pictures of destroyed tractors and combines and say they are Leopards

 

[raymondo]

It'll be a heck of a fight to break through to Tokmak and then onto Melitopol.

Ukrainian armour will be destroyed and there will be videos of this. No battle was won without losses and a propaganda machine will amplify them.

Omaha beach was bad at the start.

This could be one of the toughest fights of the coming weeks - Tokmak is a critical hub here for Russia. If Ukraine can claim it, it will be a big step forward ,

 

[Eric the meek]

There's a lot of meat in this latest report from Sky:

Reported drone attack in Voronezh, 110 miles inside Russia.
Putin calls off annual news conference.
An intercepted phone call 'proves Russia blew up dam'.
Floodwater recedes by 20cm.
Russians report heavy fighting in Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia.

Russia-Ukraine war: 'Putin's henchmen' threatening UK, Britons warned; Moscow's troops reach key Ukrainian city

Russian troops have reached the Ukrainian city of Toretsk, an anchor of Kyiv's defences in the eastern Donetsk region. Its capture could bring closer the prospect of Moscow securing the entire Donbas. Meanwhile, the MI5 boss has warned Russia wants to create "mayhem" on UK streets.

news.sky.com

 

[raymondo]

Another brave dissenter (thank goodness they still exist), plus good to see Muscovites writing regularly to political prisoners. Some seeds of a future, but still a long way off from this truly bleak present.

 

[raymondo]

This pic purports to show Ukrainian vehicles recently destroyed, with analysis from secret squirrel (he's pretty reliable).
Shit like this is going to happen, and I'm sure Ukrainian military will learn from it. It's not a one way street, sadly

 

[Igzilla]

As a counterpoint to the first losses of western supplled equipment...

 

[peterward]

It'll be a heck of a fight to break through to Tokmak and then onto Melitopol.

Ukrainian armour will be destroyed and there will be videos of this. No battle was won without losses and a propaganda machine will amplify them.

Omaha beach was bad at the start.

Totally agree..if Germans posted updates in the hours after the D Day landings with bodies floating in the water and strewn across the beaches, you'd think it was a disaster.

The rest is history.

May the brave Ukrainians fighting fascism have every ounce of luck in their rightful fight.

 

[peterward]

This pic purports to show Ukrainian vehicles recently destroyed, with analysis from secret squirrel (he's pretty reliable).
Shit like this is going to happen, and I'm sure Ukrainian military will learn from it. It's not a one way street, sadly

Saw that in depth today... its not great, First it was 1 Leopard tank and 4 Bradley IFVs that got stuck and hit a minefield......

then for some unknown reason another 4 Bradley's came and got taken out in the same spot as the first lot.

No idea why the second lot came to the same place?

That's 10% of all the donated Bradley IFV in that one pic

 

[SeagullinExile]

Murmurs of some nations thinking not enough help is being given to Ukraine, or not enough of the right type of help.
Poland in particular. Whispers of possibly putting troops into Ukraine.

Won’t happen. Unless Poland withdraws from NATO I guess, which they won’t.

 

[raymondo]

Saw that in depth today... its not great, First it was 1 Leopard tank and 4 Bradley IFVs that got stuck and hit a minefield......

then for some unknown reason another 4 Bradley's came and got taken out in the same spot as the first lot.

No idea why the second lot came to the same place?

That's 10% of all the donated Bradley IFV in that one pic

It's not good at all is it...why would the second group just trundle in?...maybe they were under artillery fire and panicked somehow. The chat and replies suggested possible inexperience of Ukrainian troops being the cause (?)....but I'd have thought more experienced troops would be coordinating or driving such vehicles.

 

[sparkie]

Ukrainian battle reports are locked down at the moment so no videos from them of success or progress.

It's quite telling though how few Russian video reports there are. They'd have been shouting from the rooftops with video after video if things were going well.

In the meantime my favourite silly video :

 

[peterward]

Russian fascist and orginal Russian commander of the Donetsk/Lugansk peoples republics in 2014, Igor Girkin had been very vocal on his YT channel about failings in the MOD, failings of the war effort and in his previous rant, vocal in calling for arrest of Prigorzhin.

So what happened between the last rant and his most present appearance?

FSB warning to wind his neck in?

Tweet says "unavailble" click link it is available for video of his face.



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