[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

Early reports that the liberation of Lyman has begun.

Ukraine's military leadership is excellent

 

[A1X]

Early reports that the liberation of Lyman has begun.

 

[timbha]

Reckoned to be somewhere between 1500 and 5000 Russian/separatist soldiers in Lyman that are surrounded, I hope they surrender quickly.
In 2014 a large number of Ukrainian fighters were surrounded, Russian and separatist fighters agreed to let them walk out if they left their weapons, then slaughtered them as they marched out unarmed. I hope we don't see anything like that here, but if I had seen what some of the Ukrainians have seen in the towns and villages they have already liberated, I am not sure I would behave properly.

Ukraine are better than that and it will once again highlight the difference between right and wrong

 

[portslade seagull]

Good for Ukraine, don't give them back

 

[Eric the meek]

Trossard hatrick.

Oops - wrong thread.

 

[sparkie]

[Tweet]1575896042457161731[/Tweet]

 

[essbee1]

Fire at airbase in crimea. Russia claims an accident - plane skidding off runway, but to
me that's bollox if you look at the footage. War coming ever closer to those w*****s in crimea.

 

[Igzilla]

I liked this one too...

 

[Icy Gull]

Interesting and sinister read

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/othe...sedgntp&cvid=68512359cd1e482b9caeab644dbbde44

 

[Mackenzie]

Ukraine should hold referendums in the towns as they liberate them.

 

[Weststander]

Excellent article on the catastrophic consequences for Russia, should they use tactical nuclear weapons.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/26/what-do-us-mean-when-say-catastrophic-consequences/
[Behind paywall, unfortunately].

 

[portslade seagull]

Russian accounts of the trapped soldiers escaping from Lyman seem to be rather wide of the mark.
Sounds like plenty have been killed or captured/surrendered. A fair bit of equipment has been gained as well

 

[Triggaaar]

Excellent article on the catastrophic consequences for Russia, should they use tactical nuclear weapons.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/26/what-do-us-mean-when-say-catastrophic-consequences/
[Behind paywall, unfortunately].

10 foot wall, 12 foot ladder:

https://12ft.io/

 

[Weststander]

Russian accounts of the trapped soldiers escaping from Lyman seem to be rather wide of the mark.
Sounds like plenty have been killed or captured/surrendered. A fair bit of equipment has been gained as well

I was wondering if the victorious Ukrainians kind of allowed them to slip back through the last avenue. The Russians had lost all their hardware and this meant the Ukrainians won’t have the logistical issue of having to maintain thousands more POW’s.

 

[essbee1]

I was wondering if the victorious Ukrainians kind of allowed them to slip back through the last avenue. The Russians had lost all their hardware and this meant the Ukrainians won’t have the logistical issue of having to maintain thousands more POW’s.

At this rate, the russians will be fighting with water pistols by the end of this war.

 

[Triggaaar]

I was wondering if the victorious Ukrainians kind of allowed them to slip back through the last avenue. The Russians had lost all their hardware and this meant the Ukrainians won’t have the logistical issue of having to maintain thousands more POW’s.

That would be a mistake. Ukraine aren't a superpower with 10 times the resources of Russia, so they can't afford to fight an infinite supply of Russian soldiers (ie, keep letting them go to later fight them again). They should have marched them across Ukraine if they had the chance, but I assume they didn't.

 

[vegster]

At this rate, the russians will be fighting with water pistols by the end of this war.

And when Winter comes, they will be useless too

 

[vegster]

That would be a mistake. Ukraine aren't a superpower with 10 times the resources of Russia, so they can't afford to fight an infinite supply of Russian soldiers (ie, keep letting them go to later fight them again). They should have marched them across Ukraine if they had the chance, but I assume they didn't.

On the contrary, quite handy to let demoralised Russian troops flee minus most of their gear.

They are going to make a marvellous example to the conscripts being pushed forward to plug the line..if regular or elite Russian units are being mauled they can see the writing on the wall and rebel or refuse to fight.

 

[Triggaaar]

On the contrary, quite handy to let demoralised Russian troops flee minus most of their gear.

They are going to make a marvellous example to the conscripts being pushed forward to plug the line..if regular or elite Russian units are being mauled they can see the writing on the wall and rebel or refuse to fight.

Each to their own, as I completely disagree.

The example to the new recruits doesn't matter, because the new recruits are unfit men who have no idea what they're doing anyway. If the regular units didn't come back at all, that's hardly going to fill the new recruits with confidence either.

Some of the Russian regulars who've escaped Lyman will be good soldiers who just caught in an overall manoeuvre by the Ukrainians, and after regrouping they will fight again, and they will kill Ukrainians. Ukraine will not win this war by releasing Russian soldiers for free. And given that they could exchange POWs for Ukrainian POWs, it would make even less sense. Try explaining that to the families of lost Ukrainian soldiers - yeah, we could have got your son back in exchange for some Russians, but we decided not to bother.

 

[sydney]

There are lots of Ukrainian boarders in Poland. Maybe NATO has decided to militarise them?

i'll give you that because you're from worthing and my mates dad lives in clifton road and is indeed surrounded by them,