[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Dr Bandler]

Who was it who said "A country gets the government is deserves"?

de Maistre.

Does that apply to us as well?

 

[moggy]

I

The Russians, in Sergei Korolev, had a brilliant rocket designer (probably better than anyone the Americans had) but he was totally hamstrung by having to get military and political approval for everything; sometmes it took weeks just to get authority to test a rocket. NASA, on the other hand, were given a big budget and trusted to spend it.
Had it not been for this there is no doubt in my mind that the russians would have put men on the moon sooner.

Don’t agree with this.
wernher von braun was the worlds top rocket researcher poached from Germany after the war by the Americans

 

[Triggaaar]

I always remember a story about when US astronauts first met up in space with Russian cosmonauts.
The US had all this shiny computer technology, state-of-the-art stuff and Russia had, in the US's words, nothing
much more sophisticated than an abacus. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here, but maybe Russia could
be such a better country if it just unshackled itself from its own ridiculous nature.

With the gift of the natural resources Russia has, they could be the worlds leading economy. But that doesn't work for the likes of Putin, who want to be emperor forever, so instead Russia is a basket case.

 

[Triggaaar]

The Russians, in Sergei Korolev, had a brilliant rocket designer (probably better than anyone the Americans had) but he was totally hamstrung by having to get military and political approval for everything; sometmes it took weeks just to get authority to test a rocket. NASA, on the other hand, were given a big budget and trusted to spend it.
Had it not been for this there is no doubt in my mind that the russians would have put men on the moon sooner.

Sooner than never?

 

[SeagullinExile]

I

Don’t agree with this.
wernher von braun was the worlds top rocket researcher poached from Germany after the war by the Americans

He was also a fully paid up member of the Nazi party and a Major in the Allgemeine SS.

Nice bloke.

 

[moggy]

He was also a fully paid up member of the Nazi party and a Major in the Allgemeine SS.

Nice bloke.

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

I always remember a story about when US astronauts first met up in space with Russian cosmonauts.
The US had all this shiny computer technology, state-of-the-art stuff and Russia had, in the US's words, nothing
much more sophisticated than an abacus. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make here, but maybe Russia could
be such a better country if it just unshackled itself from its own ridiculous nature.

But sometimes, keeping it simple can be best.
Can't remember the source [too many years ago] but there was a story that NASA spent loads of time and money inventing a pen that worked in zero-gravity.
The Russians used ........



pencils!

 

[moggy]

He was also a fully paid up member of the Nazi party and a Major in the Allgemeine SS.

Nice bloke.

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

 

[Triggaaar]

But sometimes, keeping it simple can be best.
Can't remember the source [too many years ago] but there was a story that NASA spent loads of time and money inventing a pen that worked in zero-gravity.
The Russians used ........


pencils!

Come on, that was a fake story.

 

[Igzilla]

But sometimes, keeping it simple can be best.
Can't remember the source [too many years ago] but there was a story that NASA spent loads of time and money inventing a pen that worked in zero-gravity.
The Russians used ........



pencils!

Come on, that was a fake story.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-nasa-spen/#:~:text=They%20needed%20to%20figure%20out,simply%20handed%20their%20cosmonauts%20pencils.

tl:dr pencils are hazardous to spacecraft as flecks of graphite can break off, get into the circuitry and short it out. Both Russia and the USA used the Fisher anti-gravity pen from 1967, at a cost of $2.98 per pen, compared to $128.89 for the mechanical pencils they had been using previously.

 

[sparkie]

The Kharkiv rout seems to have spread to the Luhansk Oblast / "Peoples Republic".

Russian defences collapsing there too.

 

[essbee1]

The Kharkiv rout seems to have spread to the Luhansk Oblast / "Peoples Republic".

Russian defences collapsing there too.

Russia is not only a world pariah, but its army is a laughing stock. Nice outcome Putin eh?

 

[SeagullinExile]

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

He was. He was also the brains behind the V2 rocket. 3000 of them fired at civilian populations all over Europe with an estimated death toll of 9000, not to mention the forced labour from concentration camps used in their manufacturing.

Probably says more about the Yanks and their Operation Paperclip tbh though.

 

[Igzilla]

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[heathgate]

I haven't visited this thread for some time, I am wondering if the Putin friendly Swansman is currently choking on his Borscht as his much vaunted 'Soviets' get a shoeing from Ukrainian teachers, butchers and bus drivers.

Currently, this set of developments are bringing me hope of some de-escalation in the short term, some return to peace.

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[moggy]

He was also a fully paid up member of the Nazi party and a Major in the Allgemeine SS.

Nice bloke.

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

 

[Triggaaar]

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

Are you broken?

 

[moggy]

He was also a fully paid up member of the Nazi party and a Major in the Allgemeine SS.

Nice bloke.

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

 

[Carlos BC]

He was indeed but a brilliant rocket scientist. The best there ever was

Was he any good at building rockets and stuff like that?

 

[happypig]

Sooner than never?

Well if you're going to split hairs....

I should have said "before America"