[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Thunder Bolt]

[tweet]1496782160103149571[/tweet]

My tweet quoted The Telegraph whereas your source is someone called Luke Patten who is described as
Trail blazer - Time traveller ⏱ - Dragon slayer - Lightning catcher ️

 

[peterward]

Okay, so let me get this straight, on this thread we now want to take off the discussion table:

1. The EU which has 4 EU countries bordering Ukraine which in turn has an application to become a member.
2. Russian influence, donations and funding within our current political system

I might be on my own and need a thread ban, but I can't help feel these are right up there with things to be discussed. How on earth can we trust our government to act in a manner with no conflict of interest when so much funding and influence has come from the aggressor in this case? Not only that, bang in the middle of an energy crisis when a large portion of our gas comes from Russia. I can't help but feel you're being a tad naive distilling this down to an almost good v evil conflict.

No and that is a distorted reply.... there is a lot of whataboutery with UK decisions to leave EU, X politician from parties not supported, at dinners etc.

The point was this is divisive and irrelevant in our modern day Poland moment.

park the petty domestic squables and all unite around a facist dictator who is murdering innocent civilians in Europe this very day.

If its a contructive view that looks on curbing or defeating Putin or his cronies or what in the west can do to unite in any way in this perilous time, of course its valid discource.

Right now EU, UK, Labour, Tory, Green, Lib Dem. Today this is the biggest issue and threat we have experienced in our lifetime imho

 

[Bold Seagull]

What, you mean the large portion that is around 5%?

The war will have an impact on our gas prices for sure but get your facts right.

That's what a discussion is about. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

My tweet quoted The Telegraph whereas your source is someone called Luke Patten who is described as
Trail blazer - Time traveller ⏱ - Dragon slayer - Lightning catcher ️

Indeed, looking at his Twitter feed the bloke comes across as a total nob.

 

[Questions]

Hail hail Freedonia land of the brave and free.

 

[Half Time Pies]

I'm rather delighted you are not in charge.

That would be an act of war by the part of NATO against Russia and escalate very quickly into mushroom clouds over Moscow, London and Washington.

Right now, I'd imagine that NATO will want to move forces up to the border and we'll see a significant increase in GDP spent on defence. Lockheed Martin will be delighted.

The cold war is back. Let's hop it thaws with Putin's waning power. Let's hope Putin doesn't feel cornered and do something stupid. He already appears to be nervy and unhinged. I'm guessing there's more to this than meets the eye domestically speaking back in Russia.

Exactly this, in the worst case scenario there will be a line drawn at the point at which Russian and Nato forces directly face each other. At that point the Nuclear deterrent should hopefully kick in.

 

[A1X]

[tweet]1496874529825636362[/tweet]

 

[Billy the Fish]

My tweet quoted The Telegraph whereas your source is someone called Luke Patten who is described as
Trail blazer - Time traveller ⏱ - Dragon slayer - Lightning catcher ️

Indeed, looking at his Twitter feed the bloke comes across as a total nob.

I'll try and address this on my own.

You're trying to imply some kind of foul play on JRM's part. This quote is from the article:

Oliver Crawley, partner at Somerset Capital Management, said: “Jacob Rees-Mogg no longer works at Somerset Capital Management and has had no role in any of the firm’s investment decisions for over a decade.

"Somerset Capital’s funds, including the Somerset Emerging Markets Dividend Growth Fund, are solely mandated to invest in emerging markets including China, India, Brazil and Russia.”

Do you not think that as soon as Russian forces started appearing on the border it might be a good idea for an investment fund to reduce it's stake in big Russian firms? I wonder how many other funds without links to Tories did the same

Lots of people will have links to Russian owned companies, it doesn't instantly make them dirty or complicit.

Judge people by their actions from this point onwards.

 

[peterward]

afraid i cant really buy that one. advance troops (usually the better ones) dont know what country they are in or the objectives before setting out?

Well they just had a couple of the fellas on the TV from the group talking with others behind them..... they looked military types were dressed in civi's.

I'm well aware in war things are said to try and galvanise your side and put pressure on the other side. But the girls here thought ir was genuine.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

[tweet]1496874529825636362[/tweet]

People as brave as any soldiers being sent to war

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'll try and address this on my own.

You're trying to imply some kind of foul play on JRM's part. This quote is from the article:



Do you not think that as soon as Russian forces started appearing on the border it might be a good idea for an investment fund to reduce it's stake in big Russian firms? I wonder how many other funds without links to Tories did the same

Lots of people will have links to Russian owned companies, it doesn't instantly make them dirty or complicit.

Judge people by their actions from this point onwards.

He is not a nice man. Votes against abortions even in the case of rape but invests in a firm that makes the morning after pill. He is a hypocrite.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Exactly this, in the worst case scenario there will be a line drawn at the point at which Russian and Nato forces directly face each other. At that point the Nuclear deterrent should hopefully kick in.

Hopefully they will yes

 

[Eeyore]

My tweet quoted The Telegraph whereas your source is someone called Luke Patten who is described as
Trail blazer - Time traveller ⏱ - Dragon slayer - Lightning catcher ️

Exactly.

The wider point being that the intricacies of these situations are never fully reported*



*I'm not a JRM fan, quite the opposite. I've just had enough of the media lately.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

People as brave as any soldiers being sent to war

This old lady who survived the Siege of Leningrad; standing with Ukraine.

[tweet]1496872445965479942[/tweet]

 

[Bold Seagull]

No and that is a distorted to reply.... there is a lot of whataboutery with UK decisions to leave EU, X politician from parties not supported at dinners etc.

The point was this is divisive and irrelevant in our modern day Poland moment.

park the petty domestic squables and all unite around a facist dictator who is murdering innocent civilians in Europe this very day.

If its a contructive view that looks on curbing or defeating Putin or his cronies or what in the west can do to unite in any way in this perilous time, of course its valid discource.

Right now EU, UK, Labour, Tory, Green, Lib Dem. Today this is the biggest issue and threat we have experienced in our lifetime imho

It is a huge threat. We also know that the big bad monster had a huge hand in how something played out in 2016 and how elections in both the US and UK have played out thereafter. We have a government that has taken large eye watering donations from connections to the regime. We have ministers making decisions on these matters making investment decisions regarding their personal wealth. Apologies if I'm skeptical that our current government has any capacity to act in anything but a self serving deceitful way.

I can see people bringing these WWII references into play, if you want a WWII reference, there is only 1 country that really won in Europe in 1945, and it wasn't the UK, US or it's allies.

 

[peterward]

This is Putins peacekeepers. Shooting from a Sukhoi at a residential street.

[tweet]1496857200274329600[/tweet]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You may criticise Biden but thank God this man isn't in power right now.

[tweet]1496859402917326855[/tweet]

 

[gripper stebson]

This is Putins peacekeepers. Shooting from a Sukhoi at a residential street.

[tweet]1496857200274329600[/tweet]

The scared little kid is f**king heartbreaking.

 

[Rodney Thomas]

This is Putins peacekeepers. Shooting from a Sukhoi at a residential street.

[tweet]1496857200274329600[/tweet]

The screams of those children are harrowing, ****ing harrowing.

And some on here can't stop arguing about Brexit, party politics, covid. It's just staggering.

 

[Billy the Fish]

He is not a nice man. Votes against abortions even in the case of rape but invests in a firm that makes the morning after pill. He is a hypocrite.

But nothing to do with Russia invading Ukraine. Just an opportunity to sling a bit of mud at people you don't like?