[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

Some interesting updates in here:
- the US on the AZOV brigade
- US to send another Patriot system to Ukraine
- lots of other snippets, plus ...
- lets hope the Afd don't get too much power in Germany

Ukraine war briefing: Washington clears Azov brigade for US weapons and training

No evidence of gross human rights violations, says state department; formerly far-right group are heroes in Ukraine for Mariupol’s defence. What we know on day 840

www.theguardian.com

 

[Eric the meek]

Can someone please confirm that this is real...........

 

[raymondo]

Can someone please confirm that this is real...........

I can't see it anywhere else yet...

 

[raymondo]

This though from Stoltenberg

 

[Scappa]

I can't see it anywhere else yet...

le Monde are running with the $50b coming from the interest accrued on frozen Russian assets

G7 leaders agree to unblock $50 billion for Ukraine by end of 2024

The French presidency of the G7 said the group of seven leaders had reached an agreement on using profits from frozen Russian assets for Ukraine.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Sirnormangall]

I didn't realise Orban was next in line for the presidency. That could be fairly disastrous short term.
Hopefully the protests against him in Hungary will remind him regularly.

I see that Orban shared a platform with Stoltenberg today where it was announced that Hungary wouldn’t be supporting the NATO effort in Ukraine……..but Hungary would otherwise remain a loyal and committed NATO member. So that’s all right then……

 

[rigton70]

The current positivity seems to be making its way into mainstream media:

'The Russian nuclear deterrent is completely unusable'. Blimey.

I watched this earlier along with Siberia 2 not being built as the Chinese hold all the aces.

 

[rigton70]

Also look out for the video on tanks that was very interesting. Sorry I don’t know how to post YouTube vids.

 

[Eric the meek]

le Monde are running with the $50b coming from the interest accrued on frozen Russian assets

G7 leaders agree to unblock $50 billion for Ukraine by end of 2024

The French presidency of the G7 said the group of seven leaders had reached an agreement on using profits from frozen Russian assets for Ukraine.

www.lemonde.fr

Thank you @Scappa.

So rather than G7 leaders agreeing to provide Ukraine with $50 billion of frozen Russian assets, they're going to use the interest on the frozen Russian assets as collateral for a $50 billion loan. This is rather different than reported in the Noelreports twitter feed.

I thought it seemed too good to be true, and it was. It's still good news though.

 

[raymondo]

I see that Orban shared a platform with Stoltenberg today where it was announced that Hungary wouldn’t be supporting the NATO effort in Ukraine……..but Hungary would otherwise remain a loyal and committed NATO member. So that’s all right then……

Nice...stay in NATO in case Putin isn't really your friend...but for the rest...

 

[raymondo]

Thank you @Scappa.

So rather than G7 leaders agreeing to provide Ukraine with $50 billion of frozen Russian assets, they're going to use the interest on the frozen Russian assets as collateral for a $50 billion loan. This is rather different than reported in the Noelreports twitter feed.

I thought it seemed too good to be true, and it was. It's still good news though.

Yes, that makes sense now

 

[Eric the meek]

Nice...stay in NATO in case Putin isn't really your friend...but for the rest...

Of course. That's what he's doing. He's doing a Turkey and playing both sides.

If I worked in Nato I would be reluctant to tell him anything important. You could never be sure he wasn't passing on information to Russia.

 

[fly high]

Yes, that makes sense now

I think it's a bloody cheek turning it into a loan they should just be given it. It's the interest, just let Ukraine have it.

 

[raymondo]

I think it's a bloody cheek turning it into a loan they should just be given it. It's the interest, just let Ukraine have it.

Ok, maybe I misunderstood a few days back.
I thought (please correct this anyone ) that Ukraine were being given the interest (1-2 billion) by the end of July...but now it seems a different story.

 

[raymondo]

A snippet from Reuters on the G7,re the loan deal to Ukraine:

"A person close to the talks said the point of the deal was to ensure it can run for years regardless of who is in power in each G7 state - a nod to concerns that U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might be much less favourable to Kyiv if he beats Biden in November."

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[sparkie]

A snippet from Reuters on the G7,re the loan deal to Ukraine:

"A person close to the talks said the point of the deal was to ensure it can run for years regardless of who is in power in each G7 state - a nod to concerns that U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might be much less favourable to Kyiv if he beats Biden in November."

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I honestly believe that Trump winning is Purin's only hope now and he is holding out for it.

If Trump loses, Putin has no hope and will fold pretty quickly. If Trump wins Putin will be in a much stronger position and push for a much tougher "peace deal".

 

[Eric the meek]

I honestly believe that Trump winning is Purin's only hope now and he is holding out for it.

If Trump loses, Putin has no hope and will fold pretty quickly. If Trump wins Putin will be in a much stronger position and push for a much tougher "peace deal".

That seems a very reasonable view. Does it follow that Putin will be doing everything - everything - he possibly can, to bring about a Trump win?

 

[Eric the meek]

A snippet from Reuters on the G7,re the loan deal to Ukraine:

"A person close to the talks said the point of the deal was to ensure it can run for years regardless of who is in power in each G7 state - a nod to concerns that U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might be much less favourable to Kyiv if he beats Biden in November."

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I sense that a lot of recent policy announcements, from NATO, to the EU, to the G7, are being made with a view to ringfencing or futureproofing against a Trump win.

 

[raymondo]

I sense that a lot of recent policy announcements, from NATO, to the EU, to the G7, are being made with a view to ringfencing or futureproofing against a Trump win.

,It shows practical sense from Europe (and Biden) toward policy for Ukraine, and hopefully an unwillingness to support Trump's whims should he get in

 

[raymondo]

That seems a very reasonable view. Does it follow that Putin will be doing everything - everything - he possibly can, to bring about a Trump win?

There will probably be disinformation and fake cyber news galore against Biden