Hearing from Kyiv that Belarus has now 'declared war' and its military is joining the attack.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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a) i think he'll manage it. b) Ukraine won't accept it (unless on their knees even more).
I think a) because Russian troops seem to have control now of Berdyansk (at least the central administrative area). It looks as if Ukrainian army were unable to stop them (perhaps spread thinly to protect other coastal targets?). The locals are clearly angry, protesting, but there doesn't seem to be street fighting - maybe inability to organise and arm local volunteers.
If/ when Russia secure the southern coast, they can then send in more hardware and experienced troops to advance on Zaporozhye. Personally, that's our family's biggest nightmare, as we have a number of relatives in/near Zap.
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Oh I'm not worried for now. I worry that in the next few days if Kyiv or other Ukranian cities start to be decimated by Russian firepower then there will be increasing demands from people in the west for the likes of NATO to "do something", and what that could lead to. People driven by emotion seldom make good choices.
I hope the citizens now start a revolution and string up Lukaschenko.
Nobby Cybergoat
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BBC reporting that Ukraine pilots going to Poland to pick up EU fighter jets. They will return them to bases in Poland.
Great, but another risk of escalation
Great, but another risk of escalation
Speaking of Belarus, this probably explains a lot of the current logistical issues (plus why Belarus has been so slow in reacting)
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Nobby Cybergoat
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How can a single Belorussian soldier obey those orders? Too right, better they stay and execute the despotic leader
That must be correct...but I hope it's not
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A revolution in Belarus would now be the spark that starts one in Russia.
Madness for Lukashenko to send his army away.
I fail to understand why the BBC or anyone reports these things FFS, just let them happen under the radar.
I also fail to understand why each country announces the list of weapons it's sent to Ukraine - I guess the announcement is for the home population. It would be far better to send as much as possible, say nothing, and deny if asked by a reporter. Ukraine's leadership could keep saying ( lying) that they are receiving zero support in defensive weapons.
I'm not religious but I'm praying like hell for it - the Belarussian people don't want to be part of this. I hope to god they are getting true reporting on their TV/ internet, and not via the Russian state TV.
Nobby Cybergoat
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It's a good point and to be effective, what you're suggesting would need a worldwide media information ban on Ukranian military affairs
Totally unheard of, but in these times, it could be possible to organise
Sure, very difficult I know. Most of Russia's propaganda to their people is through their state tv. I think the West could be smarter. We probably ARE telling a number of lies...but we don't see it.
It's more likely than Russia right now as they came pretty close to giving him the boot before Putin stepped in to prop him up
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Maybe he was made an offer he couldn't refuse.
By the way, the war just escalated.....
The idea of Ukrainian pilots flying sorties from polish bases seems like a foolish idea but currently much of it seems based on speculation. I assume for the Polish to agree to it would require NATO backing
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Could we raise Ukraine's offer to Russian soldiers? Suppose the NATO countries made a more tempting offer.
A flight to the west, permanent resettlement, and big money to drop weapons. I don't know what sort of big money, but something tempting. Much more than Ukraine were offering. Between all countries, it probably works out as not that much and certainly cheaper than a war.
If it proved successful, it would permanently hobble Putin's Russia.
The sticking point, is of course, the families left behind.
I bet some would take it though
A flight to the west, permanent resettlement, and big money to drop weapons. I don't know what sort of big money, but something tempting. Much more than Ukraine were offering. Between all countries, it probably works out as not that much and certainly cheaper than a war.
If it proved successful, it would permanently hobble Putin's Russia.
The sticking point, is of course, the families left behind.
I bet some would take it though
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It would automatically be determined that those sorties were NATO actions,... ergo escalation... probably not a good idea.
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Has anyone got any idea what Putin's end-game is here? Assuming they "win" - they'll have lost thousands of troops and millions of roubles worth of equipment to achieve that, then half their military will need to be in and around Ukraine to prop up some puppet government, yet their economy (which is only the size of Spain's but with 3.5 times the population) is already going to be crippled as these sanctions bite deeper. Even if we take at face value their argument that they are worried about having a NATO state on their border, it doesn't really wash, because they already have NATO states on their border as Kaliningrad borders Poland and Latvia, and Latvia also borders the rest of Russia.
I am just baffled as to what they possibly expect to achieve. The humanitarian cost will go far beyond the poor people of Ukraine - every day Russians are already being deeply affected too.
I am just baffled as to what they possibly expect to achieve. The humanitarian cost will go far beyond the poor people of Ukraine - every day Russians are already being deeply affected too.