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[Albion] Roberto De Zerbi



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Thought this was an interesting player perspective on managers and player confidence generally on LinkedIn.....do we have anyone who has lost confidence trying to play deZerbi ball? Hoping for answers that don't need to resort to bashing the player who wrote this btw.....
 




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Thought this was an interesting player perspective on managers and player confidence generally on LinkedIn.....do we have anyone who has lost confidence trying to play deZerbi ball? Hoping for answers that don't need to resort to bashing the player who wrote this btw.....
Probably something in it and think you can see it through number of long shots taken I think most players want to shoot more than they do. At the end of Potter we were shooting all over the place maybe he gave more creative freedom than before maybe Caicedo gave them more creative freedom. Or a mix. And then when Roberto came we had a lot of free shooting players in the squad. Dont think Roberto is denying them freedom but maybe new young players try too hard to satisfy him instead of going with gut feeling sometimes when they should
 


Greg Bobkin

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He isn't sure that he wants to be here next season, yet.
Has he actually said that? Everything that I've seen is about him mentioning his 'future', which is pretty ambiguous.

The other thing that baffles me, for a club as well-oiled as our own, is the perception from fans that TB/PB and RDZ are not in communication on a regular basis or, if at all irked at all by what RDZ said, they would have just shrugged their shoulders, as opposed to having a chat with him about it or addressing it there and then.

Pretty much everything RDZ has said could be (and often is, for a page-filler or a one-hour dronathon on a sports radio slot, blog or podcast) spun one way or the other when, in reality, no-one ACTUALLY knows the truth because there are very few facts that have been revealed by either side.
 


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Probably something in it and think you can see it through number of long shots taken I think most players want to shoot more than they do. At the end of Potter we were shooting all over the place maybe he gave more creative freedom than before maybe Caicedo gave them more creative freedom. Or a mix. And then when Roberto came we had a lot of free shooting players in the squad. Dont think Roberto is denying them freedom but maybe new young players try too hard to satisfy him instead of going with gut feeling sometimes when they should
Not shooting from long range is a trend across all of football, not just at the Albion because it's statistically proven it's generally a stupid thing to do. Teams are far more productive overall by keeping the ball and trying to score from closer in.
 


Exilegull

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Not shooting from long range is a trend across all of football, not just at the Albion because it's statistically proven it's generally a stupid thing to do. Teams are far more productive overall by keeping the ball and trying to score from closer in.
Trend seems to be changing if you watched the good teams this season plenty of shooting from outside. Next step in the evolution. Teams got better defending penalty area now you have to bait them out with good shooting. With multiple options they cant know what you´re gonna do good advantage in the tactical chess game
 




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Trend seems to be changing if you watched the good teams this season plenty of shooting from outside. Next step in the evolution. Teams got better defending penalty area now you have to bait them out with good shooting. With multiple options they cant know what you´re gonna do good advantage in the tactical chess game
Nope, it's still very much the case that players are trained not to shoot from distance from kids through to the top level of the professional game. The chance of scoring from closer in is so much greater plus you reduce the chance of losing the ball and being susceptible to transitions.

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Nope, it's still very much the case that players are trained not to shoot from distance from kids through to the top level of the professional game. The chance of scoring from closer in is so much greater plus you reduce the chance of losing the ball and being susceptible to transitions.

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I get this is the development but I´m saying very recently the big teams appear to be shooting more from distance. I know most dont I know we dont (only Gross) but if you look top 5 things are changing. Shooting from distance might not give many long shot goals but it help teams score from close range. Unpredictability
 


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Nope, it's still very much the case that players are trained not to shoot from distance from kids through to the top level of the professional game. The chance of scoring from closer in is so much greater plus you reduce the chance of losing the ball and being susceptible to transitions.

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Brilliant and interesting stat @Farehamseagull - thank you.

I can’t help thinking though, we need to shoot more from range though, because we are simply not good enough to break through a team that defends deeper
 
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Nope, it's still very much the case that players are trained not to shoot from distance from kids through to the top level of the professional game. The chance of scoring from closer in is so much greater plus you reduce the chance of losing the ball and being susceptible to transitions.

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Why have they set that out with the x axis back to front? It is STUPID. The graph would tell its story in a far more obvious and readable manner, the other way round.
 






Greg Bobkin

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Why have they set that out with the x axis back to front? It is STUPID. The graph would tell its story in a far more obvious and readable manner, the other way round.
I think it's because people tend to go from left to right. That's how I read it – literally! I get what you mean, but I think it would look STUPIDERER (to me, anyway) if the points were plotted the other way around.
 


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Has he actually said that? Everything that I've seen is about him mentioning his 'future', which is pretty ambiguous.

The other thing that baffles me, for a club as well-oiled as our own, is the perception from fans that TB/PB and RDZ are not in communication on a regular basis or, if at all irked at all by what RDZ said, they would have just shrugged their shoulders, as opposed to having a chat with him about it or addressing it there and then.

Pretty much everything RDZ has said could be (and often is, for a page-filler or a one-hour dronathon on a sports radio slot, blog or podcast) spun one way or the other when, in reality, no-one ACTUALLY knows the truth because there are very few facts that have been revealed by either side.
In the pre-Liverpool press conference he was specifically asked "..can you guarantee that you will be here next season?"

RDZ replied "..first of all I want to speak with my club...I have not decided yet what is my future....anyway, I want to speak with Tony, with..my club...to understand their plan, then we take the decision together."
 


Greg Bobkin

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In the pre-Liverpool press conference he was specifically asked "..can you guarantee that you will be here next season?"

RDZ replied "..first of all I want to speak with my club...I have not decided yet what is my future....anyway, I want to speak with Tony, with..my club...to understand their plan, then we take the decision together."
Fair enough – although we all know there are no guarantees in football.


That much is guaranteed!
 




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In the pre-Liverpool press conference he was specifically asked "..can you guarantee that you will be here next season?"

RDZ replied "..first of all I want to speak with my club...I have not decided yet what is my future....anyway, I want to speak with Tony, with..my club...to understand their plan, then we take the decision together."
Ok, and I'm sure he's smart enough to realise our 'plan' can not, and should not, be to compete financially with Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool, however much we might wish we could. We can certainly compete with them on the pitch as we have shown repeatedly and hope to do so for many more years with or without Roberto - I sincerely hope it's with, btw.
 












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Nope, it's still very much the case that players are trained not to shoot from distance from kids through to the top level of the professional game. The chance of scoring from closer in is so much greater plus you reduce the chance of losing the ball and being susceptible to transitions.

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Having watched Leverkusen a few times now I think Swanny’s latest account had a point. They shoot from distance a lot. But they create the room to do so. They also almost always pass it forward and alternate between going through the middle or out wide.

The two crucial differences are they have players who can shoot and they have pace. We have neither.
 


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