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[Albion] Referee / VAR
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Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Infrequently but it happens.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Unfortunately for us it was the right call. They both fouled each other, Dunk first. I don't WANT to see refs always accede to the VAR muppets.
I have no beef with either ref nor VAR, tonight.
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I think Wissa committed the original foul. Two arms around Dunk’s waist effectively. Dunk tossed him to one side which upset the ref. If Dunk had scored instead of being felled, I’m sure it would have counted as I’ve seen blockers tossed off many times but no foul given.
martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
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In all honesty referees should do it more stick to there gut instinct rather than rather than pander Everytime to VAR - made the right decision in all honesty
Wissa had two arms around Dunk. However, he hadn’t fouled him before Dunk threw him off with his arms. No penalty was the right decision.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
- 8,638
I thought the ref was very good
March v Spurs is the only one I remember.
But I think the point sometimes of VAR is to say 'hang on ref - you need to look at that again and make a decision, because it could be either way'. To my mind it was quite subjective as to whether Dunk really fouled Wissa or just brushed him off. And I'm quite happy for VAR to say that to the ref and ask him to 'have another look' - rather than 'you must change your mind'.
But I think the point sometimes of VAR is to say 'hang on ref - you need to look at that again and make a decision, because it could be either way'. To my mind it was quite subjective as to whether Dunk really fouled Wissa or just brushed him off. And I'm quite happy for VAR to say that to the ref and ask him to 'have another look' - rather than 'you must change your mind'.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Haven’t seen it although Durham had is as a stone wall and the ref made a big error
brighton_dave
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- Apr 13, 2016
- 480
Although it went against us, it is good to see him have the balls to do it. I saw it for the 1st time in an African nations match last year.
Pointless going to the screen if they'll just go with the VAR call. Hopefully it starts to happen more. Personally thought Phillips was unlucky to have one given against him the other night.
Well done Andy Madley.
Pointless going to the screen if they'll just go with the VAR call. Hopefully it starts to happen more. Personally thought Phillips was unlucky to have one given against him the other night.
Well done Andy Madley.
We don't know what the VAR advised the ref. Could have been 'what you described happening with Dunk didn't so you need to look again, but there is also an incident before it, which may take priority'.
We have seen the ref go to the screen and not make a notable different decision a number of times:
v Tottentham, March committed what looked to everyone as a foul in the build up to Lamptey's goal. Goal was given, VAR advised to look at the screen, ref stuck with the original decision of Goal.
v Marseille, foul on Dunk, no penalty given. Ref advised to look again, saw a foul by brighton first, free kick to marseille given.
v someone recently at the amex (I forget who). Goal disallowed for foul. VAR advised not a foul, but potential offside, to look at the screen as ref had to judge if the offside player interferred with play. Goal still disallowed, but for offside instead of foul.
tonight, according to radio, it was like the Marseille game (I missed the first half). There was a foul on Dunk, but it occurred after Dunk had fouled the Brentford player, and thus Dunk's foul took priority and they got the free kick.
We have seen the ref go to the screen and not make a notable different decision a number of times:
v Tottentham, March committed what looked to everyone as a foul in the build up to Lamptey's goal. Goal was given, VAR advised to look at the screen, ref stuck with the original decision of Goal.
v Marseille, foul on Dunk, no penalty given. Ref advised to look again, saw a foul by brighton first, free kick to marseille given.
v someone recently at the amex (I forget who). Goal disallowed for foul. VAR advised not a foul, but potential offside, to look at the screen as ref had to judge if the offside player interferred with play. Goal still disallowed, but for offside instead of foul.
tonight, according to radio, it was like the Marseille game (I missed the first half). There was a foul on Dunk, but it occurred after Dunk had fouled the Brentford player, and thus Dunk's foul took priority and they got the free kick.
AZ Gull
@SeagullsAcademy @seagullsacademy.bsky.social
Because decisions on fouls (or not) are subjective and so different human beings will arrive at different conclusions (and potentially the same human being might even arrive at a different conclusion from one day to the next).
It was pretty clear Dunk fouled Wissa imho. He slung him out the way.
Are you saying referees are human beings? No place for that on NSC....
He did well to stay awake
I actually think it’s healthy for the game that the on-field ref can feel confident enough to not get overruled by the technology, it’s very easy to just go with the TV
- Apr 5, 2014
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He really didn't. When he went to the monitor and looked at it I thought it was a strange penalty he was about to give. From a footballing perspective I'm glad it was left on field. Refs really need to toughen up and use their instincts more.
Just got home and seen the "pen" for the first time. Clearly I'm in the minority but it's a pen. Wissa fouls Dunk first, then Dunk fouls Wissa then Wissa fouls Dunk. Bottom line is Wissa prevented Dunk from getting to the header by fouling him. And our top ref Michael Oliver on VAR agreed. That said, I'm not especially sure I want VAR getting involved in that sort of subjective decision - especially given the stuff they haven't got involved with recently - so I'm not that fussed but I certainly don't agree that Dunk fouls first.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,645
It's rare that the on-field ref sticks with his original decision, but it does happen.
Went in our favour at Villa Park during the pandemic when Grealish tried to win a penalty right at the end, the ref went "Jog on!" only for the VAR to call him and get him to check the monitor.
Review then takes place, only for the ref to realise (a) it was Sock Boy and therefore almost certainly a dive and (b) the Albion defender (whoever it was: I forget now) had got a minuscule touch on the ball prior to lightly brushing his lower leg.
Went in our favour at Villa Park during the pandemic when Grealish tried to win a penalty right at the end, the ref went "Jog on!" only for the VAR to call him and get him to check the monitor.
Review then takes place, only for the ref to realise (a) it was Sock Boy and therefore almost certainly a dive and (b) the Albion defender (whoever it was: I forget now) had got a minuscule touch on the ball prior to lightly brushing his lower leg.