Public sector pay

[Uncle C]

What a joke.

9000 people in the public sector earn more than the prime minister at £142,500, and 1000 earn more than 200,000.

Sack the high earners and promote from within at lower salaries.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Out of interest, why does it automatically follow that someone working in the private sector must be paid less than someone doing the equivalent job in the private sector?

I mean, should the public sector accept all the second rate candidates for their jobs because they can't attract the top people?

 

[adrian29uk]

Its the ones in the NHS and the council that need sacking. These are the people who have failed time and time again. This is where all our money is going.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Its the ones in the NHS and the council that need sacking. These are the people who have failed time and time again. This is where all our money is going.

I think, to be entirely fair, there are going to be managers in every area of the public sector, as well as every part of the private sector, who aren't that good at their jobs.

Which I suppose further justifies the argument that the director salaries need to be high to attract the best candidates from the private sector.

To be honest, I've always thought, whatever the political leanings of the incumbent, that the Prime Minister's salary is incredibly LOW. When you consider his/her responsibilities, media profile, the risk to their own lives and lifestyles that is involved, the fact that they earn little more than a Chief Constable, say, or an NHS director, and far less than many bankers, city workers, private sector managers or even a fairly shit, 18 year old Championship footballer with no qualifications, is quite astonishing.

 

[beorhthelm]

i really dont care that someone in the public sector gets payed that much, as long as its a justified and market rate for someone of the qualifications and responsibility. a healthcare trust CEO for example is probably worth that, administrating a massive multi-million pound budget and employing thousands of people.

the problem is in the legions of middle managment that are there doing nothing other than justify each others administration jobs.

 

[El Presidente]

What a joke.

9000 people in the public sector earn more than the prime minister at £142,500, and 1000 earn more than 200,000.

Sack the high earners and promote from within at lower salaries.

Why?

If you promote someone solely on the grounds that they are cheap, and they end up costing the taxpayer millions due to poor decision making, is that good use of public funds?

 

[larus]

I think, to be entirely fair, there are going to be managers in every area of the public sector, as well as every part of the private sector, who aren't that good at their jobs.

Which I suppose further justifies the argument that the director salaries need to be high to attract the best candidates from the private sector.

To be honest, I've always thought, whatever the political leanings of the incumbent, that the Prime Minister's salary is incredibly LOW. When you consider his/her responsibilities, media profile, the risk to their own lives and lifestyles that is involved, the fact that they earn little more than a Chief Constable, say, or an NHS director, and far less than many bankers, city workers, private sector managers or even a fairly shit, 18 year old Championship footballer with no qualifications, is quite astonishing.

Couldn't agree more. However, the private sector will always pay more as the 'risks' are greater than in the public sector. There's more job security in the public sector and there appears to be a reluctance/drive to modernise/improve efficiency. The pensions are better in the public sector too, and there's no risk of the employer not funding it.

Just look at the reactions you get on this site to any questions relating to modernising the public sector; the accusations of not wanting good public services, which is not the case. The issue should be value for money.

 

[Uncle C]

Why?

If you promote someone solely on the grounds that they are cheap, and they end up costing the taxpayer millions due to poor decision making, is that good use of public funds?

I have a fair number of friends in the public sector and without exception they all think their managers are crap.

Lets hear if anyone here feels their senior managers are worth that sort of money.

 

[keaton]

I work in the public sector and I think most of the managers are crap. However in my previous private sector job they weren't just crap, they were mindbendingly awful at their jobs, with no ability to communicate , do their own work or take any responsibility, and were constantly fudging things to make certain people look good and other's shite

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

This is the same old shit the Tories ALWAYS pull.

They start a public debate which allows every mean spirited little gobshite to "see" what nasty managers in the public sector earn...generate public outrage, then slash everyones jobs and close down entire services.

The next targets will be senior Police/Fire/NHS workers who will be shamed out of post to be replaced by managers with little experience or motivation on low salaries, then blame them when their services struggle.

Do yo know what they did in the NHS when I was a staff nurse? they decided that departmental budgets were too lavish so employed managers (non clinical) from the retail sector...they then incentivised them thus:

Any money you save from your area budgets the bigger your personal bonus.

Cue the wards suddenly re-using single patient use products, using clapped out, condemned equipment and using untrained nurses to run busy wards if trained staff were off sick because of refusal to hire expensive agency cover.

It'll end in tears this.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I think, to be entirely fair, there are going to be managers in every area of the public sector, as well as every part of the private sector, who aren't that good at their jobs.

Which I suppose further justifies the argument that the director salaries need to be high to attract the best candidates from the private sector.

It is notoriously difficult to get sacked from a public sector job. If directors or managers don't perform at a private company they are replaced, that doesn't seem to be the case at councils or hospitals.

Do you remember the mid sussex council bloke who lost 200 grand on that concert in victoria park. I can't find the story on t'internet but I'm sure nothing happened to him for that, anywhere else and his feet wouldn't touch the ground.

I've got no problem wth comparable salarys for upper management though, if that wasn't the case all the good people would leave and you'd be stuck with the also rans.

 

[RexCathedra]

"Everything private is better than anything public, and so long as one of us, somewhere, is covered by a collective bargaining agreement, none of us is truly free. " -- from the Gospel according to St. Margaret.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

I work in the public sector and I think most of the managers are crap. However in my previous private sector job they weren't just crap, they were mindbendingly awful at their jobs, with no ability to communicate , do their own work or take any responsibility, and were constantly fudging things to make certain people look good and other's shite

I bet every single one of us in employment, private or public sector, could name managers they think are crap. If society didn't give these people jobs, how would the likes of Alan Pardew feed their kids?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

In spite of what I have just said, I've just read that report on the BBC: how on earth does the leader of Wandsworth Borough council (Tory) earn twice as much as the PM?

And how does a single GP get paid £475,000? I thought all NHS staff were on a sliding scale for their position? Has this guy singlehandedly discovered a cure for cancer or something?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

This is just the opening shot in what will be a protracted campaign to shrink the state whilst simultaneously growing the bank balance of the very people who got us into this shit in the first place.

Like I say it will end in tears.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Its the ones in the NHS and the council that need sacking. These are the people who have failed time and time again. This is where all our money is going.

Have they all failed?

 

[Dandyman]

It is notoriously difficult to get sacked from a public sector job. .

Funny that I thought I'd sacked loads of people over the years and I've been in the public sector most of my working life.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I have a fair number of friends in the public sector and without exception they all think their managers are crap.

Lets hear if anyone here feels their senior managers are worth that sort of money.

I think you'll find the majority of people winge about their bosses, but it doesn't necessarily follow that their bosses are doing a bad job. as an example off the top of my head, the oss could be following good, prudent budgetting and accouinting, but that culd be seen as penny pinching and being miserly by his department. Also, people tend to winge when they don't have to make the hard decisions that bosses do.

Clearly there are bad bosses out there and people not worth the money they make (and that's true at any level, it just may be more obvious higher up), but to generalise like that is over-simplyfying the issue.

 

[Dandyman]

Its the ones in the NHS and the council that need sacking. These are the people who have failed time and time again. This is where all our money is going.

What shite. No one in the public sector was responsible for sub-prime mortgages or any of the other idiotic "can't fail" examples of financial genius.

 

[house your seagull]

It is notoriously difficult to get sacked from a public sector job.

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