[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[AlbionBro]

You are NOT a fool and no one is accusing you of being so - I completely agree that SKS as PM has specifically requested that the riots charges be fast tracked by the DPP - his legal background has given him first hand understanding as to how that’s done as he did the same as DPP in 2011 riots but, as others have said, that’s as far as his involvement goes.

He has already removed the Labour whip from Jones. As a Party leader that is also all he can do. It is up to the CPS to process his charges along with the other 400 or so riot-related cases that have been fast-tracked so far.

Thank you, but I am senior!
Let's just hope the sentencing keeps coming and we rid our streets of agressors.

 

[Machiavelli]

That's good news, hopefully they we charge him heavily too, as he seemed to be encouraging all the people around him and worse still they applauded him. Keir needs to make and example of him and keep on top of all these hate demonstrations.
What a horrible country we are now living in.

He was thrown out the Labour Party pretty much immediately, and has now been charged with encouraging violent disorder -- see:

UK riots: 6,000 riot officers to be deployed this weekend as police remain on ‘high alert’ – as it happened

Prime minister says he believes swift processing of rioters in courts has deterring effect but says police are poised for any further disruption

www.theguardian.com

Which is another example exposing the lie that is 'Two Tier Kier'

 

[Machiavelli]

It is a bit weird, as you say, that 'Conspiring to Cause Public Nuisance' results in 5 years, whilst 'Violent Disorder' is only 20 - 30 months or so.

I haven't looked at the details of the JSO case but I'm assuming they got full whack as they pleaded 'not guilty' and went to trail, whereas the rioters jailed so far have pleaded 'guilty' and got 1/3 off.

Yes, they didn't plead guilty, and also used the proceedings to publicise their viewpoint. I still think that their sentences were too long, but found out that things are even worse in the US -- see:

Cello-playing climate activist arrested at New York Citibank protest as crackdown escalates

Second activist also arrested during ‘summer of heat’ protest against second largest financier of fossil fuels

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bodian]

He was thrown out the Labour Party pretty much immediately, and has now been charged with encouraging violent disorder -- see:

UK riots: 6,000 riot officers to be deployed this weekend as police remain on ‘high alert’ – as it happened

Prime minister says he believes swift processing of rioters in courts has deterring effect but says police are poised for any further disruption

www.theguardian.com

Which is another example exposing the lie that is 'Two Tier Kier'

I notice that Farage called him 'Two Tier Kier' and then immediately also said that the two tier policing started / went back to the BLM issues some years ago.

Quite clever of Starmer to have set up a two tier policing system whilst in opposition.

 

[Machiavelli]

I notice that Farage called him 'Two Tier Kier' and then immediately also said that the two tier policing started / went back to the BLM issues some years ago.

Quite clever of Starmer to have set up a two tier policing system whilst in opposition.

In one of his only pronouncements since these riots have got going, Faridge has tried to draw an equivalence between this and the BLM protests (which were devoid of violence, and responding to police violence)

 

[rippleman]

You are NOT a fool and no one is accusing you of being so - I completely agree that SKS as PM has specifically requested that the riots charges be fast tracked by the DPP - his legal background has given him first hand understanding as to how that’s done as he did the same as DPP in 2011 riots but, as others have said, that’s as far as his involvement goes.

He has already removed the Labour whip from Jones. As a Party leader that is also all he can do. It is up to the CPS to process his charges along with the other 400 or so riot-related cases that have been fast-tracked so far.

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

 

[Eeyore]

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

Cases such as that are not as straight forward. You cannot speed up a murder case. There is a lot more involved. It's not as if he is being released on bail.

 

[The Clamp]

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

Due process must be followed.

I certainly don’t want a case like this being rushed and possibly he get off on a technicality because something was missed.

Just to placate a few hundred Nazi morons.


A bit silly attempting to frame this as Starmer’s fault.

People seem to think the law can just be changed on a case by case basis to please certain sectors of society.

Boris Johnson and Sunak both had that idea and it was chaos.

 

[chickens]

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

He’s caught, he’s in custody.


I would far rather that the police and the CPS made sure every i was dotted and every t crossed, than they went in half-arsed and he got off on a technicality due to a botched/rushed investigation.

Edit: beaten to it by post above.

 

[Baldseagull]

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

To be fair, the cases being pushed through quickly are to deter further rioting, whilst tensions are high. I don't think there is a pressing need to deter others from stabbing kids, and a murder case will need some time for the defence lawyer to assess how best to represent his client, and what plea to enter.
Also, I suspect some will not be happy with the courts finding when he is tried, as it seems likely to me he will get an indefinite hospital order.

 

[dolphins]

 

[aolstudios]

Great post. Musk has shown himself to be entirely unsuitable to wield such enormous influence. And self-policing his own site so that his evil views can be espoused. He is truly a terrible person.

He belongs to Putin. There's not a move he makes that doesn't have that agenda.
Literally not one, ever

 

[Motogull]

1 protester in Crawley on the local news earlier. The twit.

 

[aolstudios]

As well as the content online, we also need to look at the algorithms that decide what content people see. I came off twitter because I realised that I was starting to live in an echo chamber where I never saw anything that didn't support my point of view, I recognised it was definitely taking my thinking down a more extreme path, giving me more and more reasons to become angry but without any balance. With the youTube algorithm their content seems really slanted towards right wing and conspiratorial content, for example if I watch a video with any mention of divisive characters like Andrew Tate or Tommy Robinson, even if that video is criticising them, I start to see lots of right wing propaganda pop up on my feed.

Anything that invokes a strong reaction is going to be prioritised and fed to people, which tends to be the more extreme stuff, and its therefore not difficult to see how misinformation spreads so quickly and how people views become polarised and radicalised when the algorithms of the social media platforms they use are designed in this way.

Yep. I used to keep up with the Ukraine situation by firing up twitter for a bit. It was sane & quite educational, with several very interesting, verifiable accounts. It all disappeared one day. Every bit of it.
Thanks Elon

 

[CheeseRolls]

I think it would have been helpful if Starmer had been equally enthusiastic in speeding up justice for the murdering bastard who slaughtered those three young girls and seriously injured others.

The judge did a cracking job of naming him at the initial hearing but then rewmanded him until 21/10 (which is only a plea hearing) and if he goes not guilty who knows when the trial will be? It might sate some of the right-wings bloodlust if he received what he's got coming (whole life tariff or cushy hospital job) with the absolute minimum of delay.

Of course, swift justice will also mean the victims and their families can set out on the path to recovery.

Magistrates Court versus Crown Court. There is a significant difference here. His day will come.

 

[jackanada]

Magistrates Court versus Crown Court. There is a significant difference here. His day will come.

Similarly we'll only get any serious time for the rioters when the more serious cases referred to crown court are heard.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Similarly we'll only get any serious time for the rioters when the more serious cases referred to crown court are heard.

The convictions handed down over the last few days have been in Crown Court.

Listening to the sentencing, the 20-30 month sentences are in line with a guilty plea for Violent Disorder as there is an automatic 1/3 reduction in the term for a guilty plea.

EDIT
Just read your post again and I think I misunderstood it, initially. Yes - I agree with you.

 

[Berty23]

Wow. I can’t believe the latest line is “why is he not behind bars yet?” To put together a murder case to understand motive etc is quite a bit harder than rounding up some people who filmed themselves robbing. As others have said, they need to nail this case to avoid a smart lawyer getting him off on a technicality.

I suppose they need something to blame Keir for. I guess it was him the almost collapsed the court system over the last 14 years. Those attacking must be gutted that it was sorted following his interventions making it clear the rioters were thugs.

 

[Eric the meek]

Latest figures from the BBC:

Over 740 arrests, and over 300 charged so far.

 

[A1X]

1 protester in Crawley on the local news earlier. The twit.

If nobody just played this over a loudspeaker then shame on them