Profit squad ... the post match interview

[Profit Squad]

Will probably get back into it over the next couple of weeks as it's an easy way to make money in times when I might be channel surfing or mindlessly looking at social media stuff.

Love this quote! So many people say they dont have time - and sure some genuinely dont. But for most of us, there really isnt a more financially productive way to spend an hour here and there, and personally I find it more fun than the above anyway - apart from the occasional live chat or admin irritation of course.

By the way please dont think sign ups are it. There are so many ways to make money. Don't be scared of anything on the calendar, do the lot assuming you have the bank for it, and you should easily see 500 - 1k a month or more for little effort

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Best I keep away from even reading about this anymore in detail otherwise I could get hooked on this promise of easy money at the bookies.

Good luck everybody, although long term I doubt how this can work without being banned by the bookies or a crash and chase the loses scenario.

I am drawn like a moth to a flame reading this stuff but also to join you in sounding the appropriate warning.

LONG TERM this path ends, unarguably, in a crash for some/many of the people who start out on it. Lives WILL be ruined. The currently well "disciplined" are highly likely to run into difficulties as a result of accounts getting closed, favourite offers ending or, most likely, eventually just getting a bit bored of risk free betting when the adrenaline rush of a gamble is so ever present. It will start with only the occasional gambling punt - just a bit of fun, all under control, I'm up on them at the moment - and end in whatever that individual's natural gambling endpoint is... for most people that involves chasing and potentially life damaging losses of money.

DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OF ANY SORT OF A GAMBLING PROBLEM OR ANY INKLING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DEVELOP ONE.

BE VERY HONEST WITH YOURSELF IN JUDGING THE ABOVE. IT WON'T BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME.

IT IS JUST NOT WORTH IT.

 

[kingcole]

I am drawn like a moth to a flame reading this stuff but also to join you in sounding the appropriate warning.

LONG TERM this path ends, unarguably, in a crash for some/many of the people who start out on it. Lives WILL be ruined. The currently well "disciplined" are highly likely to run into difficulties as a result of accounts getting closed, favourite offers ending or, most likely, eventually just getting a bit bored of risk free betting when the adrenaline rush of a gamble is so ever present. It will start with only the occasional gambling punt - just a bit of fun, all under control, I'm up on them at the moment - and end in whatever that individual's natural gambling endpoint is... for most people that involves chasing and potentially life damaging losses of money.

DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OF ANY SORT OF A GAMBLING PROBLEM OR ANY INKLING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DEVELOP ONE.

IT IS JUST NOT WORTH IT.

Ive got to disagree with your statement for a slightly different reason, although underlining the risks that certain people might suseptable to is never a bad thing.

A couple of decades ago, I would have been described by many as a problem gambler. If I had spare time I would be in the bookies, at the pub I would spend more time on the fruitie than chatting with mates. A night out was never complete without a visit to the casino and here I would usually borrow money off mates I could not really afford.

And then, I discovered poker.

I learnt it and 20 years ago, well before it was online, the standard of play was poor, so even my average game was a proftable one. The reaosn I made it profitable was beacuse I took the time to fully learn and understand the odds.

As soon as I 'got it' my interest in placing mug bets was over. Why would I want to have a tenner on a horse at 5-1 odds when the true odds of it winning were 7-1? Why would I want a punt on roullete when I only get paid 35-1 for hitting a number when the true odds are 36-1?

We all know the reason problem gamblers exisit is their need to chase the big one. It maynot be right for all of them, but for some, learning matched betting could be a better cure for them than going cold turkey on the betting industry as a whole.

Matched betting will teach you the odds and you will be a better punter for it. I said punter rather than gambler and you won't be gambling.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Ive got to disagree with your statement for a slightly different reason, although underlining the risks that certain people might suseptable to is never a bad thing.

A couple of decades ago, I would have been described by many as a problem gambler. If I had spare time I would be in the bookies, at the pub I would spend more time on the fruitie than chatting with mates. A night out was never complete without a visit to the casino and here I would usually borrow money off mates I could not really afford.

And then, I discovered poker.

I learnt it and 20 years ago, well before it was online, the standard of play was poor, so even my average game was a proftable one. The reaosn I made it profitable was beacuse I took the time to fully learn and understand the odds.

As soon as I 'got it' my interest in placing mug bets was over. Why would I want to have a tenner on a horse at 5-1 odds when the true odds of it winning were 7-1? Why would I want a punt on roullete when I only get paid 35-1 for hitting a number when the true odds are 36-1?

We all know the reason problem gamblers exisit is their need to chase the big one. It maynot be right for all of them, but for some, learning matched betting could be a better cure for them than going cold turkey on the betting industry as a whole.

Matched betting will teach you the odds and you will be a better punter for it. I said punter rather than gambler and you won't be gambling.

I know where you are coming from. I have very similar, very dangerous, thoughts myself.

We will agree to differ but my strongly held view is that there is nothing good about the gambling industry.

The fact that you as an individual, and a percentage group of others, are able to do what you do is very good for you. Your personality, past experiences and current circumstances all make it possible. For a great many people it will not end well.

 

[Swillis]

Ive got to disagree with your statement for a slightly different reason, although underlining the risks that certain people might suseptable to is never a bad thing.

A couple of decades ago, I would have been described by many as a problem gambler. If I had spare time I would be in the bookies, at the pub I would spend more time on the fruitie than chatting with mates. A night out was never complete without a visit to the casino and here I would usually borrow money off mates I could not really afford.

And then, I discovered poker.

I learnt it and 20 years ago, well before it was online, the standard of play was poor, so even my average game was a proftable one. The reaosn I made it profitable was beacuse I took the time to fully learn and understand the odds.

As soon as I 'got it' my interest in placing mug bets was over. Why would I want to have a tenner on a horse at 5-1 odds when the true odds of it winning were 7-1? Why would I want a punt on roullete when I only get paid 35-1 for hitting a number when the true odds are 36-1?

We all know the reason problem gamblers exisit is their need to chase the big one. It maynot be right for all of them, but for some, learning matched betting could be a better cure for them than going cold turkey on the betting industry as a whole.

Matched betting will teach you the odds and you will be a better punter for it. I said punter rather than gambler and you won't be gambling.

Poker cannot be compared to gambling. Poker cannot give the instant thrill of a bet, it does not provide the adrenaline that horses/dogs/roulette gives you. Let's be honest, most of the time playing poker is spent folding and just sitting there.
Moshe gariani is absolutely right, this will end badly for some. I have not been in a bookies or an online bookies/casino for many years and don't think about it now. So on the face of it this offer looks great, but it would not be long before I won and needed to win again. Or there was not an offer on or race I could get involved in but I would get involved in something just for the hell of it. With me the money was immaterial, it was the feeling of not knowing whether I would win or lose.

I also accept that not everyone is prone to problem gambling, in the same way that not everyone whom drinks will become a problem gambler. The worst thing to happen when you start gambling is to win.

 

[Profit Squad]

I am drawn like a moth to a flame reading this stuff but also to join you in sounding the appropriate warning.

LONG TERM this path ends, unarguably, in a crash for some/many of the people who start out on it. Lives WILL be ruined. The currently well "disciplined" are highly likely to run into difficulties as a result of accounts getting closed, favourite offers ending or, most likely, eventually just getting a bit bored of risk free betting when the adrenaline rush of a gamble is so ever present. It will start with only the occasional gambling punt - just a bit of fun, all under control, I'm up on them at the moment - and end in whatever that individual's natural gambling endpoint is... for most people that involves chasing and potentially life damaging losses of money.

We have no problem with sounding a note of caution to anyone with gambling problems. You need discipline. But we have to take issue with this. The path does not end "unarguably" in a crash for many who do it. This is frankly way over the top. Please don't associate our service - one which is a clear enemy of the bookies - with problem gambling, unless you are prepared to advise people not to try that delicious cake on their birthday in case they become obese.

The overwhelming majority of people who do matched betting happily make a few quid here and there consistently for as long as it retains their interest or financial pressures deem necessary, and those who spend more time than most on it make tens of thousands of pounds which can dramatically change someone's life for the better. For those that do want some 'adrenaline' there are still bets you can do in the casino that give you a clear long term mathematical edge as long as you follow our strict guidance. Plenty of chances of big wins but often coming from free spins or what not. I assure you the adrenaline is still there when you have risk free or low risk shot at a big win and it comes off. If ever someone does need to scratch the itch, there are more offers to do than there are hours in the day anyway. So as long as you can resist 'Let's play on my favourite slot' and instead choose 'let's play on this different slot advised by PS because there is a bonus that gives me a mathematical edge which guarantees profits long term', then you're good to go. Every single person who sticks to matched betting and +EV casino strategies will definitely make money long term.

'Running into difficulties with account closures' - Sure this happens, but that's why services like ours are ever evolving to find new ways of guaranteeing profits. And its not like you lose money when they close your account. So enjoy the ride while it lasts. Additionally we give plenty of advice on how to reduce the chances of losing key accounts.

Also King Cole's comment is very true. I have a close friend who used to be a problem gambler, and always lived paycheck to paycheck who was spiralling into depression. Now he is saving about 500+ a month without even trying and has a new apartment and gf and everything is rosy. He does a mix of sports, slots and bingo offers, but always only taking value.

 

[Profit Squad]

but it would not be long before I won and needed to win again.

For you it sounds like you are in a good place now and have beaten a very difficult addiction so we salute you for that. For others, this isnt a problem as with matched betting you literally win day in day out

 

[Swillis]

We have no problem with sounding a note of caution to anyone with gambling problems. You need discipline. But we have to take issue with this. The path does not end "unarguably" in a crash for many who do it. This is frankly way over the top. Please don't associate our service - one which is a clear enemy of the bookies - with problem gambling, unless you are prepared to advise people not to try that delicious cake on their birthday in case they become obese.

The overwhelming majority of people who do matched betting happily make a few quid here and there consistently for as long as it retains their interest or financial pressures deem necessary, and those who spend more time than most on it make tens of thousands of pounds which can dramatically change someone's life for the better. For those that do want some 'adrenaline' there are still bets you can do in the casino that give you a clear long term mathematical edge as long as you follow our strict guidance. Plenty of chances of big wins but often coming from free spins or what not. I assure you the adrenaline is still there when you have risk free or low risk shot at a big win and it comes off. If ever someone does need to scratch the itch, there are more offers to do than there are hours in the day anyway. So as long as you can resist 'Let's play on my favourite slot' and instead choose 'let's play on this different slot advised by PS because there is a bonus that gives me a mathematical edge which guarantees profits long term', then you're good to go. Every single person who sticks to matched betting and +EV casino strategies will definitely make money long term.

'Running into difficulties with account closures' - Sure this happens, but that's why services like ours are ever evolving to find new ways of guaranteeing profits. And its not like you lose money when they close your account. So enjoy the ride while it lasts. Additionally we give plenty of advice on how to reduce the chances of losing key accounts.

Also King Cole's comment is very true. I have a close friend who used to be a problem gambler, and always lived paycheck to paycheck who was spiralling into depression. Now he is saving about 500+ a month without even trying and has a new apartment and gf and everything is rosy. He does a mix of sports, slots and bingo offers, but always only taking value.

I only skim read your post, I must admit. Basically tales of success, mathematical edge, tens of thousands of pounds per year etc. Anybody but anybody who had a mathematical edge from gambling that could accrue tens of thousands of pounds per year, would not be selling that secret for £99 per year.

I'm glad to hear your close friend whom was a problem gambler is now gambling and everything seems rosy. If any of my close friends saw me gambling they would get me out of the shop one way or another, or be on at me to stop if I was gambling online.

 

[Insel affe]

The worst thing to happen when you start gambling is to win.

Absolutely, My problems started when I was fitting carpet with an older fitter and he would constantly be in the bookies after each job and getting paid cash for the work most times did not help. He would gamble on anything and I got bored standing around and waiting so started playing the roulette and unfortunately won for the first few times, that's it then you kinda think it is easy money then you start losing and chasing it.

It was never actually really about winning a vast amount of money from the machines (I think the biggest single session payout I had was about £1700.00). I actually think I liked the buzz of losing and then making it back and losing again, I liked the agony and complete self hatred. You know one of the stupid things I realised was that I would never leave with less than £250.00 as I did not see the point walking away with less, you might aswell lose it in my eyes its not gonna change my week or month and when I did I would tip the counter staff sometimes £20 or £40 between them and they probably hung onto that tip longer than I did the rest of the money.

Glad to be out of it now for nigh on eight years, I still place the odd Brighton win 3-1 bet and I have to make sure I go straight in with £5 or £10 only and wallet in the car.

I catch myself looking at the machines thinking go on.

 

[darkwolf666]

LONG TERM this path ends, unarguably, in a crash for some/many of the people who start out on it. Lives WILL be ruined.

Sorry, that's a bit like saying don't go in a pub or you will become an alcoholic and be ruined!

 

[Bozza]

Anybody but anybody who had a mathematical edge from gambling that could accrue tens of thousands of pounds per year, would not be selling that secret for £99 per year.

It's not a mathematical edge from gambling, it's trading from the offers that bookies make available to try and draw people in to joining them and/or keep using them.

Selling 'the secret' is exactly what anyone smart and/or with some entrepreneurial spirit would do. The options are:

1. Scrap away by yourself, trying to exploit all the offers you can and, maybe, earn £20,000 per year.
2. Sell 'the secret' to, say, 1,000 people for £100 per year earning £100,000 per year.

Note: whilst doing 2 you can still keep doing 1 too.

 

[Swillis]

It's not a mathematical edge from gambling, it's trading from the offers that bookies make available to try and draw people in to joining them and/or keep using them.

Selling 'the secret' is exactly what anyone smart and/or with some entrepreneurial spirit would do. The options are:

1. Scrap away by yourself, trying to exploit all the offers you can and, maybe, earn £20,000 per year.
2. Sell 'the secret' to, say, 1,000 people for £100 per year earning £100,000 per year.

Note: whilst doing 2 you can still keep doing 1 too.

Mathematical edge were not my words, the actual words were long term mathematical edge. If I had a long term mathematical edge, I would sell it to nobody and would exploit it for all it was worth. Ignoring the fact even if I had a mathematical edge I would still end up broke as I'm not a good gambler.

 

[kingcole]

Despite the different view point, I find it slightly disturbing that Proft Sqad dont carry any of the standard gambling awareness stuff or have any links to GamCare.

 

[Bozza]

Mathematical edge were not my words, the actual words were long term mathematical edge. If I had a long term mathematical edge, I would sell it to nobody and would exploit it for all it was worth. Ignoring the fact even if I had a mathematical edge I would still end up broke as I'm not a good gambler.

It's not a mathematical edge. There's no secret here. Look, here's an example:

A bookie will give you a £25 free bet if you join and place a first bet of £25 or more at odds of 1/2 or better. This is what you do.

1. Earn the free bet.

You join the bookie
You deposit £25.
You bet on a football match where one side is 1/2 (decimal odds 1.5) to win.
On a betting exchange, such as Betfair, you place a lay bet agains that side to win. The odds will likely be a little bit worse, say, 1.56.
Whatever the outcome of the match you will have lost £1.41.

2. Convert the free bet to cash.

You will now have a £25 free bet with the bookie. Free bets are stake not returned.
You find another football game where there is a heavy favourite (eg anyone against Crystal Palace).
You back the outsider, at, say odds of 4/1 (5.0).
On a betting exchange, such as Betfair, you place a lay bet agains that side to win. The odds will likely be a little bit worse, say, 5.2.
Whatever the outcome of the match you will have made £17.17.

Your net profit from this exercise will be £17.17 - £1.41 = £15.76.

This is the crux of how this works. You do something to earn a free bet and then convert the free bet into cash.

 

[Swillis]

Despite the different view point, I find it slightly disturbing that Proft Sqad dont carry any of the standard gambling awareness stuff or have any links to GamCare.

I tried to read their terms of service, which is unavailable without an account.

 

[Billy Seagull]

Long term this is not sustainable unless you have an endless supply of people willing to open accounts for you. The books close anyone who they feel might make a profit or have an edge.

The books should be made to lay any bet to lose £1000 to anyone, which may make them sharpen up their compiling instead of just cutting steaks and accounts which is the easy way out.

 

[Swillis]

It's not a mathematical edge. There's no secret here. Look, here's an example:

A bookie will give you a £25 free bet if you join and place a first bet of £25 or more at odds of 1/2 or better. This is what you do.

1. Earn the free bet.

You join the bookie
You deposit £25.
You bet on a football match where one side is 1/2 (decimal odds 1.5) to win.
On a betting exchange, such as Betfair, you place a lay bet agains that side to win. The odds will likely be a little bit worse, say, 1.56.
Whatever the outcome of the match you will have lost £1.41.

2. Convert the free bet to cash.

You will now have a £25 free bet with the bookie. Free bets are stake not returned.
You find another football game where there is a heavy favourite (eg anyone against Crystal Palace).
You back the outsider, at, say odds of 4/1 (5.0).
On a betting exchange, such as Betfair, you place a lay bet agains that side to win. The odds will likely be a little bit worse, say, 4.2.
Whatever the outcome of the match you will have made £17.17.

Your net profit from this exercise will be £17.17 - £1.41 = £15.76.

This is the crux of how this works. You do something to earn a free bet and then convert the free bet into cash.

I understand what you are saying, I was merely quoting from profit squads own post. I could go bring up a few more points but people will think I'm bitter, as I was a screw up where gambling was concerned.
Bottom line is if you can make money from it then good luck to you and anyone else who does so. But if you are not disciplined then steer clear.

 

[Bozza]

I understand what you are saying, I was merely quoting from profit squads own post. I could go bring up a few more points but people will think I'm bitter, as I was a screw up where gambling was concerned.
Bottom line is if you can make money from it then good luck to you and anyone else who does so. But if you are not disciplined then steer clear.

I agree wholeheartedly, and I say that as someone who was getting very close to 'problem gambling' a few years back.

I can happily follow the system, and that's all it is, and take what comes out the end of it. It probably best suits people who have absolutely no interest in gambling at all.

 

[Swillis]

I agree wholeheartedly, and I say that as someone who was getting very close to 'problem gambling' a few years back.

I can happily follow the system, and that's all it is, and take what comes out the end of it. It probably best suits people who have absolutely no interest in gambling at all.

The bit in bold I 100% agree with.

I just hope you can come out at the end of it. I know I wouldn't be able to, I would need something to replace that rush of winning. I genuinely, sitting here now cannot believe how much money I lost over 3/4 years and I bloody lost it. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Someone I know owns a horse and the trainer is not actually that far out of Brighton, a couple of years ago a horse was due to come in as they had been holding it back long enough. I was secretly cursing them as it confirmed rumours I had heard about fixes, it was not a fix as such but it would be like getting messi to play really crap and then be sold to a non league club and then blitz the league. I was given the name of the horse and time it was running. I had actually met the jockey at a dinner sometime previously. I genuinely could not allow myself to go and back that horse(which won at 16/1), because that couple of grand I may have gained could have led me back into a spiral.
Anyway I'm even boring myself now, good luck and be smart.

 

[kingcole]

Long term this is not sustainable unless you have an endless supply of people willing to open accounts for you. The books close anyone who they feel might make a profit or have an edge.

The books should be made to lay any bet to lose £1000 to anyone, which may make them sharpen up their compiling instead of just cutting steaks and accounts which is the easy way out.

The ideal and usual scenario would hopefully be that you lose with the bookie and win on the exchange. In this case, why would the bookies want to close your account?