[Politics] Priti Patel bullies staff and gets away scot free

[Bold Seagull]

Yes it is. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen and guess what, because we’re adults, most of us have handled it. Just as we did at school.

Except the ones that didn’t.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The thing about workplace bullying is that it doesn't matter whether the perpetrator meant it, whether it was accidental or whether they were unaware of the effect of their behaviour. As I understand the law, if the person on the receiving end felt bullied and if they can demonstrate that this was a reasonable response to the alleged "bullying" behaviour - then they were being bullied. In this case they were therefore being bullied, whatever Patel says in her defence about lack of intent. That's completely irrelevant. No-one should be surprised about Johnson's response. He needs bullies and hitmen to do the things he lacks the bottle to do.

There seems to be, though, plenty of evidence around that it was very real bullying - people trembling in fear at meetings, and senior people now saying she was warned about it.

Johnson is a serial liar and deceiver, and he's not very good at it. He should stick to TV programmes about ancient civilisations.

 

[portlock seagull]

I believe that due to Patels bullying, a civil servant at a previous dept that had the misfortune to have Patel as a Minister attempted suicide, and was awarded £25,000 from the public purse in compensation.
So, not so much of a jump, after all.

I don’t think you can ever category say suicide is due to one thing. People are mentally ill for starters. A lot more wrong with someone than being shouted or sworn at. Blimey none of us would make it through adolescent if so. When colleagues and bosses have lost it at work in front of me, the rest of the team didn’t go and throw ourselves under the bus. Some of us weathered it, others moved on. The directors nearly always stay put. In fact it happens in the boardroom too. I put it down to pressure and stress of running billion pound businesses. I guess everyone has bad days. No big deal. Running to HR boo hooing because someone raised their voice is a bit snowflake and shows a disturbing lack of emotional intelligence and compassion ie ‘why did x behave that way, maybe something wrong in their life or maybe, maybe, I’m responsible for their reaction? And some of the shite people have to put up with from customers and public is more than enough to make people shout and scream occasionally. It’s good release, part of today’s problem is anger seems to be something people aren’t allowed to show. It’s perfectly normal to “lose ones shit” dare I say!

 

[BLOCK F]

Should have got rid of Cummings after Barnard Castle and should have got rid of Patel.
Regrettably, the PM hasn’t learnt.

 

[portlock seagull]

I worked delivering fish for a year (horrible job) and if you weren't shouted and sworn at by the bosses you thought something was up !

Why did you not commit suicide though? According to some on here, everyone who gets shouted at in a workplace automatically reaches for a rope. Well done for ‘surviving’, Sounds like you’ve also experienced the real world too! I’d hate to see some people work in say logistics. Wouldn’t last an evening shift!

 

[Motogull]

If the blond bungle**** would only do things properly and not try and fudge decisions he would not be in such a shite situation. Self inflicted. Fukk him.

 

[dennis]

I normally steer clear of political posts and conversations but

This basically a post relating to bullying yet some of the responses to people’s posts are of a bullying nature but if you disagree with them you’re the problem

I’m a bloke in my 50’s who would consider some of the stuff as character building and never did me any harm material

We’re now in a woke snowflake society where any one can claim to be offended for anything even if it’s got nothing to do with them and the actual victim is not offended in the slightest

The recent BLM action was such a case where the ones doing the shouting were able to say that if you didn’t shout with them then you were racist too!

People protesting against the fallen and getting vocal and violent towards any one who disagrees with them

I’m afraid that the bullied have become the bullies and this country is going down the plug hole.

 

[lawros left foot]

I don’t think you can ever category say suicide is due to one thing. People are mentally ill for starters. A lot more wrong with someone than being shouted or sworn at. Blimey none of us would make it through adolescent if so. When colleagues and bosses have lost it at work in front of me, the rest of the team didn’t go and throw ourselves under the bus. Some of us weathered it, others moved on. The directors nearly always stay put. In fact it happens in the boardroom too. I put it down to pressure and stress of running billion pound businesses. I guess everyone has bad days. No big deal. Running to HR boo hooing because someone raised their voice is a bit snowflake and shows a disturbing lack of emotional intelligence and compassion ie ‘why did x behave that way, maybe something wrong in their life or maybe, maybe, I’m responsible for their reaction? And some of the shite people have to put up with from customers and public is more than enough to make people shout and scream occasionally. It’s good release, part of today’s problem is anger seems to be something people aren’t allowed to show. It’s perfectly normal to “lose ones shit” dare I say!

To lose ones shit is normal.
To bully junior members of staff, over whom you have authority, to the point it contributed to a suicide attempt of one, is not.
To be reported for bullying in three appointments is not normal, either.
She is a cowardly bully and should be sacked, as she hasn’t got the decency to resign.
There is absolutely no excuse for her behaviour, she representing the British Government and should have a higher standard than she has displayed in her career.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

I don’t think you can ever category say suicide is due to one thing. People are mentally ill for starters. A lot more wrong with someone than being shouted or sworn at. Blimey none of us would make it through adolescent if so. When colleagues and bosses have lost it at work in front of me, the rest of the team didn’t go and throw ourselves under the bus. Some of us weathered it, others moved on. The directors nearly always stay put. In fact it happens in the boardroom too. I put it down to pressure and stress of running billion pound businesses. I guess everyone has bad days. No big deal. Running to HR boo hooing because someone raised their voice is a bit snowflake and shows a disturbing lack of emotional intelligence and compassion ie ‘why did x behave that way, maybe something wrong in their life or maybe, maybe, I’m responsible for their reaction? And some of the shite people have to put up with from customers and public is more than enough to make people shout and scream occasionally. It’s good release, part of today’s problem is anger seems to be something people aren’t allowed to show. It’s perfectly normal to “lose ones shit” dare I say![/QUOTE]

No, not in the workplace. It’s unacceptable and demonstrates a lack of control. If it manifests itself in someone feeling bullied, then it is wrong and a disciplinary offence in my book. If I had bullied people at work I would have expected some kind of disciplinary action. It’s a serious offence at work.

 

[portlock seagull]

This sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable. I work for a blue chip multinational and there have been cases where people have have demonstrated this sort of behaviour, and have very quickly been escorted off the premises, and good riddance too. Shouting and swearing is the action of someone who's out of their depth.

And loving the whataboutery with the Army. There's bullying (aka Deepcut) and there's drilling a squad of young people into a fighting force.

It’s not though is it? It’s perfectly normal emotion. Escorting someone off the premises for that is quite ridiculous and shows what a silly time we live in. Calming someone down, getting to understand why etc is far more skilled management. So typical of snowflakery that the your fired button is pressed because someone’s raised their voice. What about the impact it then has on their lives, their family etc from losing their job? And then they take their life because of? Where’s your so called compassion then?! The irony here is delicious.

 

[The Fits]

The recent BLM action was such a case where the ones doing the shouting were able to say that if you didn’t shout with them then you were racist too!

Utterly irrelevant and utter nonsense. Very sinister of you to have shoehorned that in to this debate.

 

[dennis]

Utterly irrelevant and utter nonsense. Very sinister of you to have shoehorned that in to this debate.

I notice you removed the rest of my post to take offence

I think that’s my point proven

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think that you only really take the piss out of people you like.
I think bullying is a bit different, usually aimed at people who can’t or won’t retaliate.


My foster Brother was Asian, he did 10 years as a greenie. He was always known as Choco and he was fine with that.

Mess decks that were quiet and had little piss taking were unpleasant. Certainly not happy places to be.

One guy black guy i knew was called ‘Spear chucker’ shortened to chucks after the character from M*a*s*h. He was massive and there was no way on earth he would be bullied. The more you got on with someone the more outrageous it was.


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[lawros left foot]

Why did you not commit suicide though? According to some on here, everyone who gets shouted at in a workplace automatically reaches for a rope. Well done for ‘surviving’, Sounds like you’ve also experienced the real world too! I’d hate to see some people work in say logistics. Wouldn’t last an evening shift!

Can you highlight the posts that say everyone who gets shouted at reaches for a rope?

I’ve read every post, I must have missed those ones.

You are defending a woman who has been found guilty of bullying junior members of staff on at least 3 occasions, by an independent investigation.

I’m glad I’m not you.

 

[KeithDublin]

I normally steer clear of political posts and conversations but

This basically a post relating to bullying yet some of the responses to people’s posts are of a bullying nature but if you disagree with them you’re the problem

I’m a bloke in my 50’s who would consider some of the stuff as character building and never did me any harm material

We’re now in a woke snowflake society where any one can claim to be offended for anything even if it’s got nothing to do with them and the actual victim is not offended in the slightest

The recent BLM action was such a case where the ones doing the shouting were able to say that if you didn’t shout with them then you were racist too!

People protesting against the fallen and getting vocal and violent towards any one who disagrees with them

I’m afraid that the bullied have become the bullies and this country is going down the plug hole.

Sadly the character it seems to have built is an utter ****

 

[portlock seagull]

I don’t think you can ever category say suicide is due to one thing. People are mentally ill for starters. A lot more wrong with someone than being shouted or sworn at. Blimey none of us would make it through adolescent if so. When colleagues and bosses have lost it at work in front of me, the rest of the team didn’t go and throw ourselves under the bus. Some of us weathered it, others moved on. The directors nearly always stay put. In fact it happens in the boardroom too. I put it down to pressure and stress of running billion pound businesses. I guess everyone has bad days. No big deal. Running to HR boo hooing because someone raised their voice is a bit snowflake and shows a disturbing lack of emotional intelligence and compassion ie ‘why did x behave that way, maybe something wrong in their life or maybe, maybe, I’m responsible for their reaction? And some of the shite people have to put up with from customers and public is more than enough to make people shout and scream occasionally. It’s good release, part of today’s problem is anger seems to be something people aren’t allowed to show. It’s perfectly normal to “lose ones shit” dare I say![/QUOTE]

No, not in the workplace. It’s unacceptable and demonstrates a lack of control. If it manifests itself in someone feeling bullied, then it is wrong and a disciplinary offence in my book. If I had bullied people at work I would have expected some kind of disciplinary action. It’s a serious offence at work.

missing the point. It is an emotion. We all experience it. You have lacked control many times. Because you’re human. If it’s happening every five mins then yes I’d say you need help. But I would forgive you and not reach for the gun simply because you lost it occasionally and swore at me or in my presence. Still, gotta justify those human resource contracts somehow so I guess I’m on my own here. Snowflakery won. Carry on melting. How do you cope with trains being late incidentally?

 

[The Fits]

I notice you removed the rest of my post to take offence

I think that’s my point proven

Your point being what exactly?
I might as well just say 'any one who didn't go on a BLM is a racist'. It's as sweeping and unfounded a statement as yours.
It's simply not related in any way. People protesting for the rights of black people are not 'snowflakes'.

 

[dennis]

Sadly the character it seems to have built is an utter ****

And you’re entitled to your opinion snowflake but my point is if we are now in the society that we are in, having been found guilty of bullying she should have gone

 

[portlock seagull]

Can you highlight the posts that say everyone who gets shouted at reaches for a rope?

I’ve read every post, I must have missed those ones.

You are defending a woman who has been found guilty of bullying junior members of staff on at least 3 occasions, by an independent investigation.

I’m glad I’m not you.

Maybe I’ve just a higher tolerance of people’s imperfections than you. You for example can’t stand someone else’s opinion. And think I’m defending PP too. I also believe in two sides to every story. Jumping on a virtuous bandwagon without question is a bit snowflakery too.

 

[portlock seagull]

Utterly irrelevant and utter nonsense. Very sinister of you to have shoehorned that in to this debate.

That is the queen of snowflakery comments. No offence