Poyet REJECTS offer to quit the Albion

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I dont know who is right or wrong here and I really dont care as at least one side, I suspect could have handled it better....


... but if I was Gus I would know by now (if a settlement has been offered) that I was no longer wanted and therefore to make this go on so long suggests he feels he has been very hard done by and that he has a defensible case. The fact that the club has offered anything at all suggests that either they know they are on dangerous ground or Gus is so totally deluded that he doesnt realise that the case of him is solid and the club were trying to save his face.

No one at all! Is going to come out of this smelling of roses. How ever guilty Gus is someone else has handled this badly. If Kev was right all along there was never a need for the Albion to offer a settlement.

My personal feeling? Barber and Gus have both got a case to answer and Im monumentally disappointed by the whole affair.

 

[Albion Dan]

And you currently think they are all going to say they hated their time under his leadership and got to a miraculous fourth place in an uninspired dressing room all of their own accord?
And i thought Bridcutt and Benno were our favourites too.
I reckon there's a couple of players who didn't ever fit into our style and i doubt they enjoyed themselves completely, but that's football isn't it, when egotistical managers - that's every manager in every league by the way - have fallings out with egotistical players thanks to someone not being selected as much as they wanted to be or players not carrying out instructions perfectly and a tete-a-tete or two being had. I don't know the feelings behind the scenes of course, but the play on the pitch didn't speak of discord rumbling through the ranks.
I think also we'll see this summer whether the delusional who tended to think we had a squad of guaranteed league-winners got it right and most of our squad disappear to premier league sides or the newly relegated because they are the highest class players who will never fail. Thus far we've seen world class Bridge go to bloody Reading.

I dont think it matters for one second if players love or hate the manager if we are getting results. You used the fact a couple have said they like him to counteract facts I posted that demonstrated why Poyet had mugged off our supporters. I was just highlighting that your comment was unlikely to resonate amongst the whole squad, if even the majority. I have personally heard he was largely unpopular but as I say that means nothing. Managers arent there to make friends.

 

[jimhigham]

The following is garnished with great big chunks of if, as I have no sources and no inkling of what is actually going on.

if Gus has been invited to leave and has declined to do so it does not necessarily follow that he will return to manage the team. He could well be parked and another manager brought in while he continues to draw a salary on garden leave. This would be a disastrous move in terms of budget implications. With FFP bearing down on us we can ill afford to be paying two wages where one would do.

I find it very hard to imagine that Gus would allow such a situation to continue for the remainder of his contract, as it would be tantamount to career suicide for an ambitious man. He may or may not have grounds for being angry at the club. Who really knows? However, one would expect him to still have an eye on his future. While his results at the club have been solidly impressive, that alone will not guarantee him work. His public pronouncements and inability to reach some sort of compromise with the club would likely lead to him being filed under "difficult" for chairmen out there.

If, if, if...

 

[Lenny Rider]

19 pages and counting, this is our very own version of the miners strike. Membership of Team Gus or taking the Clubs side has clearly created divisions.

IMHO he was good for the Albion, we were good for him, but nothing lasts forever and sometimes things don't end the way we all would like. It time to part, and again without wishing to be flamed, whatever it costs because this ongoing dispute is doing more damage than people probably realise.

Poyet exits and hopefully Oscar Garcia is unveiled at the Amex before the fixtures are out.

 

[vegster]

Yes, the Gus Bus is broken, all aboard the Os-car !

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I take issue with your point 2. Gus basically said he has to put himself first, above the club. Poor attitude, even worse timing.
Also, your summary in point 1 is an overly-generous interpretation of Gus' frequent public pronouncements, especially of his Leeds love.

Sorry BW I just have to know what your avatar is.

 

[pornomagboy]

Yes, the Gus Bus is broken, all aboard the Os-car !

Like it

 

[Meade's Ball]

I dont think it matters for one second if players love or hate the manager if we are getting results. You used the fact a couple have said they like him to counteract facts I posted that demonstrated why Poyet had mugged off our supporters. I was just highlighting that your comment was unlikely to resonate amongst the whole squad, if even the majority. I have personally heard he was largely unpopular but as I say that means nothing. Managers arent there to make friends.

I agree they're not there to be best buddies, but normally a team attempts to play out of their skin because of a combination of fear, trust and respect for the man in charge. We know full well the players in our squad had all either fallen from greater heights following a bad spell in their careers, or had taken a step up from lower places and were urgent to maintain their status or move onwards and upwards still, and in nearly all cases he made them either better or more like the players they once were. I thought that is something to praise really, and be incredibly proud of.
I don't feel "mugged" because he said he might not be here forever and even had a lust to go back to even a club like Leeds if they made it big enough as he enjoyed his time there. The same as i won't if the players i've come to love disappear elsewhere. They're not us, undying lovers of the Albion, so notions of betrayal in such statements or moves surely leave us not long after secondary school. Any manager or player who says I AM HERE FOR LIFE is a complete misleader, and i think only the fewest would honestly believe it. So i don't think we've been let down in the slightest by any message of future elsewheres.

 

[Albion Dan]

Any manager or player who says I AM HERE FOR LIFE is a complete misleader, and i think only the fewest would honestly believe it. So i don't think we've been let down in the slightest by any message of future elsewheres.

No one expected him to say he was here for life but he publicly flirted with all sorts of clubs and failed to rule himself out of the running for ANY job, unlike most other managers. Its basic respect. Most of his interviews were about Gus Poyet more than the club, culminating in his disgusting interview after the play offs which showed him up for exactly what he was all about. Trying to blackmail the club to go beyond its means to keep his services and telling us we'd hit a ceiling. This after losing a play off to a team who had spent buttons on its squad fronted by a player he gave away.

The blokes ego is out of control and the amount of jobs hes landed clearly show most other clubs maybe agree.

 

[marshy68]

What makes you think that the investigations haven't been finished? Neither the Club nor Poyet need to tell us what the outcome of the investigation was.

i would imagine that the investigations finished weeks ago - the silence has been probably been due to negociation with each others legal teams. I said last week GP holds all the aces all he has to do is wait for the club to act and he knows they wil have to in a matter of days as the new season approaches. For what its worth in my opinion the club will sack GP next week and face GP's legal advisors in court or until a out of court settlement is reach - no happy ending here.... i fear.

 

[Mowgli37]

So I wake up to find 19 pages of a total sh*t storm! Can anyone do a quick round up for me?

 

[Baldseagull]

i would imagine that the investigations finished weeks ago - the silence has been probably been due to negociation with each others legal teams. I said last week GP holds all the aces all he has to do is wait for the club to act and he knows they wil have to in a matter of days as the new season approaches. For what its worth in my opinion the club will sack GP next week and face GP's legal advisors in court or until a out of court settlement is reach - no happy ending here.... i fear.

Maybe we keep him for a fortnight and issue a statement that anyone who wants to offer him a job is welcome to talk to him. If there are no takers after that put him out to grass until the first round of manager sackings take place.

 

[Ernest]

19 pages and counting, this is our very own version of the miners strike. Membership of Team Gus or taking the Clubs side has clearly created divisions.

IMHO he was good for the Albion, we were good for him, but nothing lasts forever and sometimes things don't end the way we all would like. It time to part, and again without wishing to be flamed, whatever it costs because this ongoing dispute is doing more damage than people probably realise.

Poyet exits and hopefully Oscar Garcia is unveiled at the Amex before the fixtures are out.

Wouldn't you say this was an occasion when the clubs elder statesman Mr Knight may step forward and be of assistance ?

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

So I wake up to find 19 pages of a total sh*t storm! Can anyone do a quick round up for me?

Certainly.

Nobody knows anything other than that 3 members of staff have been suspended, one of whom has been reinstated. But why nobody knows except the people directly involved and they are not telling.

But that doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion, including me.

 

[Meade's Ball]

No one expected him to say he was here for life but he publicly flirted with all sorts of clubs and failed to rule himself out of the running for ANY job, unlike most other managers. Its basic respect. Most of his interviews were about Gus Poyet more than the club, culminating in his disgusting interview after the play offs which showed him up for exactly what he was all about. Trying to blackmail the club to go beyond its means to keep his services and telling us we'd hit a ceiling. This after losing a play off to a team who had spent buttons on its squad fronted by a player he gave away.

The blokes ego is out of control and the amount of jobs hes landed clearly show most other clubs maybe agree.

I didn't quite see it that way. I'm not quite in the world of exaggerations and desperation for finding a villain, so instead i'll have nothing but respect and gratitude for where we got to - of a season i intend to remember once this gaping hole is filled with the astonishment i felt through pretty much all of it - and a little hope that the club get this mess over with so we can move on and have the chance of mirroring some of the amazements and even going beyond them with a new intercontinental rapscallion.

 

[The Oldman]

So I wake up to find 19 pages of a total sh*t storm! Can anyone do a quick round up for me?

As my dear old Mum used to say "It will all end in tears"

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Christ, it seems if anything we have shot ourselves in the foot with the £2.5 Million release clause in Poyet's contract

Would have been better with no clause and just negotiate a fee, if so this could have all been sorted by now and it wouldnt make Poyet well within his rights to demand we pay the full amount.

 

[pork pie]

Christ, it seems if anything we have shot ourselves in the foot with the £2.5 Million release clause in Poyet's contract

Would have been better with no clause and just negotiate a fee, if so this could have all been sorted by now and it wouldnt make Poyet well within his rights to demand we pay the full amount.

I cannot see anywhere where it suggests that the Club have offered to pay him off. Maybe they have offered him a reduced sentlement in compensation to the Club to bugger off now?

We just need the cancer out of our Club ASAP. Where are all the Poyet lovers who shouted me down now?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Really? I'm glad you're not one of my staff.

If my company suspended me I'd do the best I could to f*ck them over. Indeed the company that put me through redundancy saw me f*ck them over the best I could ! Don't blame Poyet at all if he's doing the same.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If my company suspended me I'd do the best I could to f*ck them over. Indeed the company that put me through redundancy saw me f*ck them over the best I could ! Don't blame Poyet at all if he's doing the same.

Quite, this is my point. Gus is an emotional guy so he is not being emotive in the World he lives in.