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Official Old Man

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Aug 27, 2011
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Huge two days coming up. Angela van den Bogerd - former People Services Director at Post Office Ltd and Programme Director for the Branch Support Programme.
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
Huge two days coming up. Angela van den Bogerd - former People Services Director at Post Office Ltd and Programme Director for the Branch Support Programme.
This is brutal.

Apparently however, as long as you say that you don't remember whether you saw the clear evidence of a systems failure when you responded to being told about it by doing nothing, that's fine.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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...but she isn't making a very good job of it.

She didn't know and she wasn't told and it wasn't her fault and anyway she is "truly sorry".

So that's ok then.


She comes across as confident, very prepared and slick, under a facade just for this week of humility. Predictably playing the game of being an innocent bystander.

***** through her teeth.
 


Westdene Seagull

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...but she isn't making a very good job of it.

She didn't know and she wasn't told and it wasn't her fault and anyway she is "truly sorry".

So that's ok then.

Isn't that the same for all of them ? Every single one of the witnesses linked to the PO has started (and I paraphrase) 'I'm so sorry for the people that have been convicted unjustly.". Not a single one has held their hands up and said "Yes, I PERSONALLY got it wrong and should PERSONALLY be held accountable.". Cowards each and every one.
 


amexer

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Aug 8, 2011
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Have not followed this in detail. Has anybody yet taken the blame or are they all saying it was not there responsibility and blaming someone else.
Has anybody from Horizon been interviewed yet
 












Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Huge two days coming up. Angela van den Bogerd - former People Services Director at Post Office Ltd and Programme Director for the Branch Support Programme. From what I understand, she was one of those who covered up the truth, allegedly.
If the TV drama was at all accurate, she was at the absolute core of the prosecutions, the lies, the obfuscation and the cover-up. Fully deserving of some time in the nick.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Vilamoura, Portugal
Have not followed this in detail. Has anybody yet taken the blame or are they all saying it was not there responsibility and blaming someone else.
Has anybody from Horizon been interviewed yet
Do you mean Fujitsu? Senior Fujitsu figures have appeared at the enquiry but I'm not aware of any of them explaining who was responsible for the secret room full of people remotely accessing branch accounts to try and hide system errors.
 


A1X

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When I watched the drama, for me in that she came over just as bad (if not worse) than Vennels
 






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If the TV drama was at all accurate, she was at the absolute core of the prosecutions, the lies, the obfuscation and the cover-up. Fully deserving of some time in the nick.
Sounds very likely from her performance today. She took decisions that could only have been taken on the basis of ignoring information she was given. The actions she took were designed to do one think only - scapegoat the postmasters and cover up what had actually happened. And the only way she could have been triggered into making the decisions she took was if she had been shown the relevnt information and decided on a malignant course of action. Her defense is that in retrospect the decisions she took were not correct but (get this) she has no recollection of seeing the information that triggered her actions.

It's as brazen as saying "I should not have stolen that woman's purse, but I have no recollection of it being in her handbag or how it came into my possession. Had I realized at the time that neither the purse nor the handbag were mine I would have taken a different course of action"

I am not legally trained. However I am hoping and expecting that those who are will be able to unpack all this lying bollocks and put her in jail for perjury. In a cell with a massive lusty lesbian with sharp and dirty fingernails, hopefully.
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

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Jul 27, 2004
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Her defense is that in retrospect the decisions she took were not correct but (get this) she has no recollection of seeing the information that triggered her actions.

It's as brazen as saying "I should not have stolen that woman's purse, but I have no recollection of it being in her handbag or how it came into my possession. Had I realized at the time that neither the purse nor the handbag were mine I would have taken a different course of action"
Good analogy

It's quite shocking - she took decisions (which she now admits were wrong) that had a massive impact on people's lives and now just says she can't remember seeing the information that made her make those decisions...

OK then.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Vilamoura, Portugal
Sounds very likely from her performance today. She took decisions that could only have been taken on the basis of ignoring information she was given. The actions she took were designed to do one think only - scapegoat the postmasters and cover up what had actually happened. And the only way she could have been triggered into making the decisions she took was if she had been shown the relevnt information and decided on a malignant course of action. Her defense is that in retrospect the decisions she took were not correct but (get this) she has no recollection of seeing the information that triggered her actions.

It's as brazen as saying "I should not have stolen that woman's purse, but I have no recollection of it being in her handbag or how it came into my possession. Had I realized at the time that neither the purse nor the handbag were mine I would have taken a different course of action"

I am not legally trained. However I am hoping and expecting that those who are will be able to unpack all this lying bollocks and put her in jail for perjury. In a cell with a massive lusty lesbian with sharp and dirty fingernails, hopefully.
and a video camera, hopefully.
 




Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Sounds very likely from her performance today. She took decisions that could only have been taken on the basis of ignoring information she was given. The actions she took were designed to do one think only - scapegoat the postmasters and cover up what had actually happened. And the only way she could have been triggered into making the decisions she took was if she had been shown the relevnt information and decided on a malignant course of action. Her defense is that in retrospect the decisions she took were not correct but (get this) she has no recollection of seeing the information that triggered her actions.

It's as brazen as saying "I should not have stolen that woman's purse, but I have no recollection of it being in her handbag or how it came into my possession. Had I realized at the time that neither the purse nor the handbag were mine I would have taken a different course of action"

I am not legally trained. However I am hoping and expecting that those who are will be able to unpack all this lying bollocks and put her in jail for perjury. In a cell with a massive lusty lesbian with sharp and dirty fingernails, hopefully.

My experience from observing judges and barristers (from the wright side of the lore :smile: ), is that these characters will be systematically torn apart at a criminal trial. Superior intellects, through logic, catching out inconsistencies and lies.
 




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